The most amusing sentence of the whole article:
Cochran and Boies alternated sentences as they read the joint statement to Justice Walter Tolub.
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What, trouble in paradise, guys?
Who died and made you Elvis?
Cordelia ,'Storyteller'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Astarte - Jul 08, 2003 8:41:25 am PDT #3190 of 10001
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.
Betsy HP - Jul 08, 2003 10:59:23 am PDT #3191 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
I'm sure you guys have already covered this, but I feel so damned betrayed.
IGNFF: On a side tangent, what was the purpose of the – I hesitate to use the phrase – sort of clumsy storytelling with the whole "Giles not touching things" thing...
WHEDON: It was just us having fun.
IGNFF: It didn't seem to really pan out besides making a lot of people crazy on the Internet...
WHEDON: That was just a fun runner for the diehards, so you watch every episode and you're like, "AH! You're right, he leaned on it, but he didn't touch it!" It was just us having a little mystery fun.
Nutty - Jul 08, 2003 11:01:41 am PDT #3192 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
IOW, hey, let's be shitty to the people who pay attention to the story! Considering we've worked hard to reward them in times past! That worked out so well for, say, Chris Carter.
tina f. - Jul 08, 2003 11:02:34 am PDT #3193 of 10001
I'm sure you guys have already covered this
Actually, I've been waiting for someone to bring this up. I was kinda scared to...
P.M. Marc - Jul 08, 2003 11:03:43 am PDT #3194 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I think he misunderestimated us, damn it.
Vortex - Jul 08, 2003 11:04:18 am PDT #3195 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I think that it's funny. I like that Joss knows that the viewers will pay attention and will notice what's going on. One of the things that we like about the show is that we never know what will happen, and if the little clues/misdirection help make the surprise, then great.
§ ita § - Jul 08, 2003 11:05:49 am PDT #3196 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It was clumsily done. But at least the characters wondered the same thing we did.
If Giles had actually been written well I don't think I'd have been as irritated.
Lee - Jul 08, 2003 11:08:25 am PDT #3197 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
That wasn't Giles.
Don't care what the scripts say, I can believe it if I want to.
Jessica - Jul 08, 2003 11:09:21 am PDT #3198 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Yeah, I think the fact that there was so much else wrong with Giles made the is-he-or-isn't-he-touching-anything thing more annoying than it probably deserved.
(That said, "because we like it when the audience's heads explode from frustration" is really not a very good solo reason for writing anything.)
Betsy HP - Jul 08, 2003 11:11:26 am PDT #3199 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
If you're going to misdirect, more power to you. But when the misdirect is revealed, it still has to make sense in the story context.
Like, for instance, when Dawn is going out doing terrible vandalish things, and you think the boys are a bad influence on her, and it turns out they're actually vampires, that makes perfect sense. Vampires would have good reasons to lure girls away, and would very likely be a bad influence.
But when Giles ostentatiously doesn't touch anybody for, what, six episodes, and there is NO IN-SHOW REASON FOR IT, that's not a misdirect, that's cheap. If he'd revealed that "My God, I'm recovering from a terrible skin disease and physical contact hurts", that would have been fine. But there were places where the character Giles should have hugged people, and he didn't, and, as ita said, that's bad characterization unless there's a reason.