I think that it's funny. I like that Joss knows that the viewers will pay attention and will notice what's going on. One of the things that we like about the show is that we never know what will happen, and if the little clues/misdirection help make the surprise, then great.
Every planet has its own weird customs. About a year before we met, I spent six weeks on a moon where the principal form of recreation was juggling geese. My hand to God. Baby geese. Goslings. They were juggled.
Wash ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Vortex - Jul 08, 2003 11:04:18 am PDT #3195 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
§ ita § - Jul 08, 2003 11:05:49 am PDT #3196 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It was clumsily done. But at least the characters wondered the same thing we did.
If Giles had actually been written well I don't think I'd have been as irritated.
Lee - Jul 08, 2003 11:08:25 am PDT #3197 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
That wasn't Giles.
Don't care what the scripts say, I can believe it if I want to.
Jessica - Jul 08, 2003 11:09:21 am PDT #3198 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Yeah, I think the fact that there was so much else wrong with Giles made the is-he-or-isn't-he-touching-anything thing more annoying than it probably deserved.
(That said, "because we like it when the audience's heads explode from frustration" is really not a very good solo reason for writing anything.)
Betsy HP - Jul 08, 2003 11:11:26 am PDT #3199 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
If you're going to misdirect, more power to you. But when the misdirect is revealed, it still has to make sense in the story context.
Like, for instance, when Dawn is going out doing terrible vandalish things, and you think the boys are a bad influence on her, and it turns out they're actually vampires, that makes perfect sense. Vampires would have good reasons to lure girls away, and would very likely be a bad influence.
But when Giles ostentatiously doesn't touch anybody for, what, six episodes, and there is NO IN-SHOW REASON FOR IT, that's not a misdirect, that's cheap. If he'd revealed that "My God, I'm recovering from a terrible skin disease and physical contact hurts", that would have been fine. But there were places where the character Giles should have hugged people, and he didn't, and, as ita said, that's bad characterization unless there's a reason.
Sean K - Jul 08, 2003 11:15:43 am PDT #3200 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
But when Giles ostentatiously doesn't touch anybody for, what, six episodes, and there is NO IN-SHOW REASON FOR IT, that's not a misdirect, that's cheap...
...and, as ita said, that's bad characterization unless there's a reason.
Yeah, that was really why the NotTouchingStuff!Giles turned out to be so annoying. He was so unlike himself, it really seemed they were doing something with it. That he would turn out to be Pod!Giles, or Ethan, or anything.
Instead, he was just oddly out of character.
Katie M - Jul 08, 2003 11:16:38 am PDT #3201 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
I was not at all surprised by that, actually. Look at Spike and the soul. (Not to mention the great asspull in The Gift, though to be fair that one I think they just did a bad job of setting up rather than setting out to fool the audience.)
Sean K - Jul 08, 2003 11:22:16 am PDT #3202 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
I can't really say I was surprised, either. Just... disappointed, I guess.
Though, again, me being disappointed in Buffy is, in my book, higher praise than gushing effulgent at almost any other show on TV.
smonster - Jul 08, 2003 11:32:27 am PDT #3203 of 10001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
Though, again, me being disappointed in Buffy is, in my book, higher praise than gushing effulgent at almost any other show on TV.
I love the frequency with which 'effulgent' is used on this board. Makes my heart all bulgy, it does.
Shanshu - Jul 08, 2003 11:36:02 am PDT #3204 of 10001
If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be
lyrically, Talib Kweli.
Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
But I did five mill' - I ain't been rhymin like Common since (Jay-Z)
The explanation for the Giles weirdness was very unsatisfying.
Same goes for Jane Espenson's explanation that when Joyce appeared to Dawn, it was just the First - end of story.
These things fall into the same category as adding Caleb at the last minute because a noncorporeal villain wasn't working.
When I was watching the season 4 DVDs I was struck by how much better they used to be at the planning and continuity stuff. For example, Oz and Veruca's passing encounter that pays off several episodes later. That stuff was just so cool, so it was disappointing when they lost it.