Wash: Well, I wash my hands of it. It's a hopeless case. I'll read a nice poem at the funeral. Something with imagery. Zoe: You could lock the door and keep the power-hungry maniac at bay. Wash: Oh, no, I'm starting to like this poetry idea now. Here lies my beloved Zoe, my autumn flower, somewhat less attractive now she's all corpsified and gross...

'Shindig'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


ted r - May 15, 2003 9:26:23 am PDT #312 of 10001
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

I'm not sure that presentation is something you can dictate.

It isn't. I can point it out, explain my objections, but I wouldn't presume to dictate even if I had the power to do so.

Or...what Scrappy said. :)


Jeff Mejia - May 15, 2003 10:44:07 am PDT #313 of 10001
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Everybody needs to see the latest Dork Tower cartoon - it shows a fan's reaction to the ending of Buffy.


sumi - May 15, 2003 10:48:46 am PDT #314 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Bwah! Jeff - - that was priceless.


Alicia K - May 15, 2003 10:54:13 am PDT #315 of 10001
Uncertainty could be our guiding light.

I watched both "The Prom" on FX and the A&E Biography and got all sniffly at both. It's been a while since I've watched "The Gift," and the clip they showed on A&E really got me. That music! My god, that music gets me every time. Even if I just listen to it without the visual.

I'm a relatively new Buffy fan -- I started watching the reruns on FX and then S6, but wow, did I fall in love with the show.

And lurking here for x number of months has been very entertaining and informative. You guys are, like, way cool. And stuff.


Wolfram - May 15, 2003 11:05:28 am PDT #316 of 10001
Visilurking

Welcome to the party circus jungle cult shrine melee hellmouth monkey asylum orgy support-group board, Alicia. Have a cookie.


Sheryl - May 15, 2003 11:06:27 am PDT #317 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Finally caught up here.(I watched the ep last night). The ep wasn't bad, though I'm getting a feeling of "too little, too late" on some of the stuff I did like. Also feeling a little frustrated by loose threads and lack of explanation on other stuff, but it's been hashed out here already.


Glamcookie - May 15, 2003 11:19:16 am PDT #318 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Spike's ability to kill Wood-and his choice not to (for the moment)-was when I felt Spike had finally grown up.

See, this made my Spike hate go through the roof. Spike killed Wood's mother. This would have been a perfect opportunity to show that Spike had changed if he had shown remorse for the killing. If he had said, "I'm a different man now." Instead he takes back Wood's mother coat and Wood basically gets told by Buffy that Spike's life is worth more than Wood's. WTF? That pissed me off and showed me that souled Spike was no different than old Spike and it made me say, "Where'd our Buffy go and who is this heartless beyotch in her place?"


§ ita § - May 15, 2003 11:24:49 am PDT #319 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm glad Spike showed no remorse for the killing. If the man hadn't tried to kill him, I'd have been interested if he'd said "Sorry your mother's dead." But Spike killing Nikki was what Spike, and any vampire that could have, did. It's more their raison d'etre, only avoided through technological or magical means.


Wolfram - May 15, 2003 11:28:42 am PDT #320 of 10001
Visilurking

See, this made my Spike hate go through the roof. Spike killed Wood's mother. This would have been a perfect opportunity to show that Spike had changed if he had shown remorse for the killing. If he had said, "I'm a different man now." Instead he takes back Wood's mother coat and Wood basically gets told by Buffy that Spike's life is worth more than Wood's. WTF? That pissed me off and showed me that souled Spike was no different than old Spike and it made me say, "Where'd our Buffy go and who is this heartless beyotch in her place?"

Despite the uneven writing this season, I actually like souled!Spike. And not that I agree with this, but Spike's rationale is that he doesn't owe Wood an apology. Since he was evil Spike, and he's now good Spike, he's not the one who did the deed. And if Wood doesn't get that and wants to kill good Spike, then bugger 'em.

So Angel spends a century trying to atone for Angelus's sins, and Spike spends a few episodes as crazy loon, and then realizes souled!Spike is not responsible for evil!Spike's actions. He takes a moment, and moves on.


Wolfram - May 15, 2003 11:29:30 am PDT #321 of 10001
Visilurking

And what ita said.