I think Willow kissing Xander was a bigger betrayal - despite impending death, they were both in possession of their faculties. Oz certainly bears some responsibility, but he wasn't playing footsie with Veruca for weeks beforehand, and there were plenty of supernatural complications. Also, I get his desire to know more about his wolfy state, and he was receptive to what Veruca was telling him. If he just spoke up about it, then he might lose his chance to know something important about himself. Which is not excusing his choices, but it seems like a lesser flaw than Willow and Xander exhibited.
She's terse. I can be terse. Once in flight school, I was laconic.
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DavidS - Jun 21, 2003 3:54:38 pm PDT #2940 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Elena - Jun 21, 2003 3:58:10 pm PDT #2941 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.
Oh, man, and Willow straddling Angel, torturing him while Xander watches - I begin to think that I've got some sort of voyeurism kink. Which, considering that I'm watching all of these things makes sense.
Elena - Jun 21, 2003 4:14:49 pm PDT #2942 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.
Xander and Willow kissed; Oz and Veruca fucked. There is a difference there.
DavidS - Jun 21, 2003 4:16:54 pm PDT #2943 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Xander and Willow kissed; Oz and Veruca fucked. There is a difference there.
The only reason Xander and Willow didn't fuck is because they were caught in the act. Oz fucked as a werewolf, so I'll grant you his distinctly higher moral position.
Elena - Jun 21, 2003 4:24:43 pm PDT #2944 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.
Oz fucked as a werewolf, so I'll grant you his distinctly higher moral position.
He gets a pass for the first time - but he made the decision to have Veruca with him in his cage whilst still a human, and that's where the infidelity occurred.
The only reason Xander and Willow didn't fuck is because they were caught in the act.
You have a crystal ball? Because at that point they were both virgins, and I don't know that they would have gone that far, ever, let alone in the factory.
DavidS - Jun 21, 2003 4:29:15 pm PDT #2945 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
You have a crystal ball? Because at that point they were both virgins, and I don't know that they would have gone that far, ever, let alone in the factory.
Since the only reason they kissed was because they thought they were going to die, my gut says that neither one wanted to die a virgin.
Elena - Jun 21, 2003 4:33:47 pm PDT #2946 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.
Hmmm. I don't know about that. I really don't. Neither of them was at all ready for sex and Willow, at least, knew that.
DavidS - Jun 21, 2003 4:53:53 pm PDT #2947 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
It's moot to me anyway. None of the core four characters ever held each other responsible for things done under the influence of magic such that it affected their personality. Oz's wolfy boink of Veruca treads that grey line. Willow and Xander's indiscretion doesn't get that pass. Further, while he might have allowed the situation to evolve instead of nipping it off, there was the real danger that Veruca would go out and kill if he didn't pull her into the cage. Again, no such pass for W/X.
Elena - Jun 21, 2003 4:58:31 pm PDT #2948 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.
Further, while he might have allowed the situation to evolve instead of nipping it off, there was the real danger that Veruca would go out and kill if he didn't pull her into the cage.
There certainly was. Which is why he should have, I don't know, told somebody!
Sean K - Jun 21, 2003 5:01:55 pm PDT #2949 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
He gets a pass for the first time - but he made the decision to have Veruca with him in his cage whilst still a human, and that's where the infidelity occurred.
Seth even points this out in the commentary for the episode. Oz is the initiatior at every step, he calls Veruca, He invites her to the cage, he pulls her inside...
Though I see what Hec is getting at, too.