Kaylee: Is that him? Mal: That's the buffet table. Kaylee: Well how can we be sure, unless we question it?

'Shindig'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Burrell - Jun 13, 2003 1:21:37 pm PDT #2670 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

See, I'm kinda with justkim. The character identifies herself as gay. Who am I to say I know better? But as I've said, I think that sexuality is fluid enough that one's sexual orientation can, indeed, change over one's lifetime.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 13, 2003 1:27:41 pm PDT #2671 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Also, I've heard far too many different firsthand stories of the process to think that there's any one way for things to happen. Everything from people who unexpectedly fell in love with one person of the same gender despite their overall heterosexuality to people who were bedrock sure of their homosexuality at an age when I hadn't the slightest inkling of an attraction to anyone.


§ ita § - Jun 13, 2003 1:31:17 pm PDT #2672 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The character identifies herself as gay. Who am I to say I know better?

The same person you'd be to call any other narrator on being unreliable.

This is separate from my belief on her Kinsey rating.


Burrell - Jun 13, 2003 1:47:22 pm PDT #2673 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

The same person you'd be to call any other narrator on being unreliable.

Okay, on a narrative level, I see that. You're right (except of course that she is not the narrator, but that's me picking nits).

I was making the mistake of thinking of this in terms of real people. And with the real people I know, it bristles me when Person A questions Person B's self-identified sexual orientation based on X or Y fact. As in statements like, "What kind of lesbian sleeps with men?" or whatever. IRL, that kind of thing irks me. But you're right, this is a fictional character here.


RobertH - Jun 13, 2003 9:42:26 pm PDT #2674 of 10001
Disaffected college student

The most (loaded word alert) damning point against Willow only saying she's gay and not bi because it's simpler and/or she hasn't thought it through entirely, in my opinion, was her reaction to the enchanted jacket in "Him".

If Willow were cookie dough, what kind would she be? t /Baba Wawa

EDITED to remove pretentious quote marks and to do a fake tag properly.

EDITED four times now. Damn, I suck.


P.M. Marc - Jun 13, 2003 10:41:28 pm PDT #2675 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The most (loaded word alert) damning point against Willow only saying she's gay and not bi because it's simpler and/or she hasn't thought it through entirely, in my opinion, was her reaction to the enchanted jacket in "Him".

I don't see how that affects her sexuality. The jacket pinged chicas, didn't matter if they were gay or straight.

Besides, she was willing to magic him into a her.


Cindy - Jun 14, 2003 1:31:48 am PDT #2676 of 10001
Nobody

Yeah Robert, that was magicks, not her natural feelings - I don't think it can serve as evidence. I wouldn't count it, even if she hadn't tried to turn the boy into a girl.

I'm with Burrell when real people are involved. People who self-define should have their definitions respected. Had Tara lived, it would be a less interesting question, only because I do think Tara was Willow's big love (at least to date), and I can't even imagine Willow being interested in someone else with Tara on the scene.


Vortex - Jun 14, 2003 5:15:25 am PDT #2677 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Besides, she was willing to magic him into a her.

hmm, doesn't that lean more towards the "gay" rather than "bi" side? I mean, if she were bi, wouldn't she have been willing to be with him as a man?

Or perhaps the writers just did it for laughs.


Nutty - Jun 14, 2003 6:24:29 am PDT #2678 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Nothing to add about gay now. I got the Homicide DVDs, and they are all so very young and cute and I am desperate for the next season release.

I don't have HBO, but of what I've watched of the Wire, I like it well enough to forgive Dominic West his precarious American accent.


Rayne - Jun 14, 2003 9:22:05 am PDT #2679 of 10001
"Oh no! Has falling sky liquid once again caused you the sadness?" -Starfire

Someone has been posting a script that they think is either an early spec or early draft of the original Buffy movie. (I haven't read it yet.)

It's available here: [link]