Haven't you killed me enough for one day?

Mal ,'War Stories'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Burrell - Jun 13, 2003 1:47:22 pm PDT #2673 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

The same person you'd be to call any other narrator on being unreliable.

Okay, on a narrative level, I see that. You're right (except of course that she is not the narrator, but that's me picking nits).

I was making the mistake of thinking of this in terms of real people. And with the real people I know, it bristles me when Person A questions Person B's self-identified sexual orientation based on X or Y fact. As in statements like, "What kind of lesbian sleeps with men?" or whatever. IRL, that kind of thing irks me. But you're right, this is a fictional character here.


RobertH - Jun 13, 2003 9:42:26 pm PDT #2674 of 10001
Disaffected college student

The most (loaded word alert) damning point against Willow only saying she's gay and not bi because it's simpler and/or she hasn't thought it through entirely, in my opinion, was her reaction to the enchanted jacket in "Him".

If Willow were cookie dough, what kind would she be? t /Baba Wawa

EDITED to remove pretentious quote marks and to do a fake tag properly.

EDITED four times now. Damn, I suck.


P.M. Marc - Jun 13, 2003 10:41:28 pm PDT #2675 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The most (loaded word alert) damning point against Willow only saying she's gay and not bi because it's simpler and/or she hasn't thought it through entirely, in my opinion, was her reaction to the enchanted jacket in "Him".

I don't see how that affects her sexuality. The jacket pinged chicas, didn't matter if they were gay or straight.

Besides, she was willing to magic him into a her.


Cindy - Jun 14, 2003 1:31:48 am PDT #2676 of 10001
Nobody

Yeah Robert, that was magicks, not her natural feelings - I don't think it can serve as evidence. I wouldn't count it, even if she hadn't tried to turn the boy into a girl.

I'm with Burrell when real people are involved. People who self-define should have their definitions respected. Had Tara lived, it would be a less interesting question, only because I do think Tara was Willow's big love (at least to date), and I can't even imagine Willow being interested in someone else with Tara on the scene.


Vortex - Jun 14, 2003 5:15:25 am PDT #2677 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Besides, she was willing to magic him into a her.

hmm, doesn't that lean more towards the "gay" rather than "bi" side? I mean, if she were bi, wouldn't she have been willing to be with him as a man?

Or perhaps the writers just did it for laughs.


Nutty - Jun 14, 2003 6:24:29 am PDT #2678 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Nothing to add about gay now. I got the Homicide DVDs, and they are all so very young and cute and I am desperate for the next season release.

I don't have HBO, but of what I've watched of the Wire, I like it well enough to forgive Dominic West his precarious American accent.


Rayne - Jun 14, 2003 9:22:05 am PDT #2679 of 10001
"Oh no! Has falling sky liquid once again caused you the sadness?" -Starfire

Someone has been posting a script that they think is either an early spec or early draft of the original Buffy movie. (I haven't read it yet.)

It's available here: [link]


P.M. Marc - Jun 14, 2003 9:35:08 am PDT #2680 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

hmm, doesn't that lean more towards the "gay" rather than "bi" side? I mean, if she were bi, wouldn't she have been willing to be with him as a man?

A-yup. That was my thinking.


smonster - Jun 14, 2003 7:03:22 pm PDT #2681 of 10001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

three very different women who were all lesbians

Yeah. I'm still waiting for the day when there is a recurring, believable, BUTCH lesbian character on TV. Don't get me wrong, I adore Willow and Tara (I'm Kennedy neutral) but regrettably they don't really melt my butter.

t thinks about holding breath until this happens, blows a big rasberry in the general direction of network execs instead

FWIW, Matt tBF said what I had to say on the Gay Now topic. I've known people who were engaged to people of the other sex at one point, who would now NEVAH EVAH think of sleeping with opposite sex and aren't attracted to them. I personally did the swing way gay, swing back to middle thing. There are so many factors involved...


P.M. Marc - Jun 14, 2003 7:45:20 pm PDT #2682 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

FWIW, Matt tBF said what I had to say on the Gay Now topic. I've known people who were engaged to people of the other sex at one point, who would now NEVAH EVAH think of sleeping with opposite sex and aren't attracted to them. I personally did the swing way gay, swing back to middle thing. There are so many factors involved...

Being married during Gay Swings? Sometimes weird. Makes me want a gender swap kit for the husband.

Yeah. I'm still waiting for the day when there is a recurring, believable, BUTCH lesbian character on TV.

Want a good bi first. Drat it. She can date a butch.