Anya: Are you stupid or something? Giles: Allow me to answer that question with a firing.

'Sleeper'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


bitterchick - May 14, 2003 7:20:32 pm PDT #261 of 10001

So not touching the SDT debate. I discussed my feelings on the subject in my popgurls piece last fall. But on the subject of this:

But amongst so many minds, not one little voice said, "How are we gonna recover from this? This is the Worst of the Worst, so we're gonna have to come up with the Best of the Best to recover."?

This is something that has bugged me quite a bit over the past year and a half or so. There have been several occasions when something happened on the show, fans reacted in a certain way and the writing staff would say, "We never thought people would take it this way." Or "We never believed people would think XYZ."

And I'm pretty much at a loss of why that is. To me, the logical follow-up to "Spike tries to rape Buffy" is "Okay, but what happens next? Where do we go from there?" And I feel as though, with many of the storyline decisions they've made, there was never that follow up discussion.

I look back on Season 2 and Angelus killing Jenny Calendar. A conscious decision was made for Angelus to be in vamp face. Why? Because Angelus was committing a horrific act that the audience might not be able to forgive him for. But they knew Angel was coming back and getting his own series. So they chose to do that scene in a way that would allow Angel to come back and be a good guy again.

I'm at a loss trying to figure out what changed between then and now. The only thing I can come up with is that Joss became more and more hands off. Though I hate that reasoning.


DCJensen - May 14, 2003 7:27:24 pm PDT #262 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

That wrap-party Sarah-sucks glee article is hysterical!

Have I mentioned I hate stories that use "an insider" as a source, expecially the only source?


Steph L. - May 14, 2003 7:34:02 pm PDT #263 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I'm a big believer in SDT, but I don't think I'm as absolutist as many here. Because I don't have a problem with a character saying, for example, "I love you," and having them be utterly sincere and honest. I really don't. That's not a violation of SDT unless it comes out of the blue.

Okay. Let's Doblerize. And I mean *myself,* too, because I jumped in it.

The majority of people I know prefer to see a character's growth/feelings/etc. through actions rather than the character just saying "I feel XYZ."

No TV show/movie/novel/play is going to be ALL "show." Except, I suppose, silent movies. The issue most of us are talking about is how much "show" and how much "tell" we prefer.

Some people -- and it seems Ted is one of them -- don't have a problem with a higher percentage of "I feel XYZ" versus, for instance, watching a character cry to indicate sadness. They're okay with more telling.

It's like how much jelly you like on a peanut butter sandwich. (The analogy isn't perfect, so don't camp out on it, please.)

Also, nobody is going to budge on their position, I can tell. So there it is.


balzacq - May 14, 2003 7:37:17 pm PDT #264 of 10001
Evil Hand Issues

Aye, ma'am. Doblerizing.

I have to go home now anyway. :-)


Micole - May 14, 2003 7:41:19 pm PDT #265 of 10001
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

No TV show/movie/novel/play is going to be ALL "show." Except, I suppose, silent movies.

  • cough* They have the cards inserted with dialogue or other exposition.

I'm just sayin'.

What are those cards called?


ZeusGirl - May 14, 2003 7:43:25 pm PDT #266 of 10001
"Angel and Spike, The Starsky and Hutch of the Netherworld" - Albert Einstein in his speech to the U.N. Security Council, Sept., 1955.

Thank you for the radio interview link. It's really interesting.


justkim - May 14, 2003 7:47:59 pm PDT #267 of 10001
Another social casualty...

And Ted, learning what we did about Xander in the above referenced scene does us very little good if we are supposed to get information about Buffy and Riley. Can you use the above referenced scene to explain why Buffy ran after Riley? I can’t. I am still baffled by it.

Not me. After that speech I wanted to run after Riley.

Ted, I am really, truly trying to understand your point, and not actually argue with you, Can you please explain to me Why you reacted the way you do to this scene, and, more importantly, why you felt Buffy should have reacted this way?


justkim - May 14, 2003 8:00:37 pm PDT #268 of 10001
Another social casualty...

Victor, I watched the A&E Biography. I was a little disappointed by it. Do we need to white font discussion?

(ETA: Not that it contains spoilers, but I don't know if people want to watch it without knowing its content. Also, inadvertent serial.)


Frankenbuddha - May 14, 2003 8:04:50 pm PDT #269 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

On the A&E Biography - I've been taping Farscape at midnite on Sci-Fi, and missed the 8 pm of Biography. Do either of you have an opinion on which I should skip? Be aware - I'm someone who's only seen a couple of Farscapes and trying to decide if I should commit, but not particularly tied to it yet. I guess I mean - if there was something else you were curious about, but not determined to see, would the Biography be worth it?


Lady O' Spain - May 14, 2003 8:06:02 pm PDT #270 of 10001
Red hair and black leather--my favorite color scheme.

Skipping ahead to see if anyone watched the A & E Biography tonight?

*bouncing up and down* I did! I did!

Well, the last 20 minutes, anyway. But they're re-running it later tonight, I believe.

Waiting to see the verdict on the white font before commenting...