No. And yes. It's always sudden.

Tara ,'Storyteller'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Cindy - May 26, 2003 12:29:29 pm PDT #2355 of 10001
Nobody

*thunk thunk thunk thunk*

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This post was in no way reflective of any content posted on buffistas.org, and in fact, was a good reminder of the fact that when I stray from buffistas.org, I should be very careful where I step.

*thunk thunk thunk thunk*


P.M. Marc - May 26, 2003 12:34:23 pm PDT #2356 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Oh, Cindy. We've warned you about that.

(hands Cindy some ice for her head)


amych - May 26, 2003 12:35:29 pm PDT #2357 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Stay here with us, dearest. We're so much less thunky.


Cindy - May 26, 2003 12:38:48 pm PDT #2358 of 10001
Nobody

Oh, Cindy. We've warned you about that.

(hands Cindy some ice for her head)

Sure, give me ice - go grey. Good thing I have so much LJing to catch up on.

Stay here with us, dearest. We're so much less thunky.

Yeah, I belong in the dark, with you.

See - it's dangerous to empower all those women, because what if some of them are bad?


amych - May 26, 2003 12:43:01 pm PDT #2359 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

wait, whaaa?

THAT'S what you're reading out in other bad places?

*thunkthunkthunkthunkthunk*


Cindy - May 26, 2003 12:49:27 pm PDT #2360 of 10001
Nobody

THAT'S what you're reading out in other bad places?

Yeah. What if one of them used the power to hit their little sister or something?

Can't be empowering a bunch o' dem bad gals, don'tcha know.

*eyes roll right out of head*


Frankenbuddha - May 26, 2003 12:50:04 pm PDT #2361 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

See - it's dangerous to empower all those women, because what if some of them are bad?

Not that this isn't an interesting question. What if while they are going around finding all the newly empowered slayers (typed slyers first, heh), they find Faith v.2.0/ Or worse? Leads to some interesting dillemas and all. And sorry for letting the bunnies out.

Somehow I think that's not exactly what Cindy has been reading "out there".

ETA and just confirmed by Cindy. Wow, how...banal an interpretation.


Cindy - May 26, 2003 12:53:36 pm PDT #2362 of 10001
Nobody

Well Ken, you're approaching it as an interesting plot point with potential I think, not as an argument for not empowering the slayers (which this person seemed to be), to which I responded:

You sound like someone who doesn't think everyone should have the right of free speech or freedom of religion, because they might misuse it. Of course some empowered slayers are not going to join the fight, and some will use their strength towards bad ends. To me, that in no way justifies the archaic, misogynistic system the Shadow men put in place - their virgin sacrifice to save their sorry tushes from the demons.

With great power comes great responsibility, and some won't be up for it. But this has always been a story about how in the end, the fate of the world rests on those good people who care enough to keep fighting for what's right.

There could be no "perfect" solution, but there could and was a solution in which they weren't trying to fight evil with evil, but instead, with good.

*burns bra*


Typo Boy - May 26, 2003 12:54:46 pm PDT #2363 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think part of the selection process for slayers is that they tend not to use their power for evil. Faith did not start out as an evil slayer. (OK she was into vandalism and theft - See Want Take - though I get the feeling that even this only happened after the death of her watcher.)


Cindy - May 26, 2003 12:58:56 pm PDT #2364 of 10001
Nobody

I think part of the selection process for slayers is that they tend not to use their power for evil. Faith did not start out as an evil slayer. (OK she was into vandalism and theft - See Want Take - though I get the feeling that even this only happened after the death of her watcher.)

That could be true, and sounds logical and probable, but we don't know.

But I don't think I needed it to counter this person's objections in the first place. Basically (although to be fair, I don't think this was his intent) his argument is akin to saying that you don't empower the oppressed, because some of them might misuse their power. At it's core, it shares the same premise with these: You don't free the slaves, because some of they are inferior people who will abuse their freedom to do wrong. You don't let women vote, because some of them are flighty, and will not choose wisely. You don't educate girls, because a lot of them are just going to stay home and have babies, anyhow.