One of you is gonna fall and die, and I'm not cleaning it up!

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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Typo Boy - May 26, 2003 12:54:46 pm PDT #2363 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think part of the selection process for slayers is that they tend not to use their power for evil. Faith did not start out as an evil slayer. (OK she was into vandalism and theft - See Want Take - though I get the feeling that even this only happened after the death of her watcher.)


Cindy - May 26, 2003 12:58:56 pm PDT #2364 of 10001
Nobody

I think part of the selection process for slayers is that they tend not to use their power for evil. Faith did not start out as an evil slayer. (OK she was into vandalism and theft - See Want Take - though I get the feeling that even this only happened after the death of her watcher.)

That could be true, and sounds logical and probable, but we don't know.

But I don't think I needed it to counter this person's objections in the first place. Basically (although to be fair, I don't think this was his intent) his argument is akin to saying that you don't empower the oppressed, because some of them might misuse their power. At it's core, it shares the same premise with these: You don't free the slaves, because some of they are inferior people who will abuse their freedom to do wrong. You don't let women vote, because some of them are flighty, and will not choose wisely. You don't educate girls, because a lot of them are just going to stay home and have babies, anyhow.


Frankenbuddha - May 26, 2003 1:00:57 pm PDT #2365 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I think part of the selection process for slayers is that they tend not to use their power for evil.

Well this is trusting that the powers that be have only benign intentions towards us.

And Cindy, I was totally coming at it from an interesting plot point perspective. People are a mystery - I don't get how some people can have watched this show on a regular basis and. still. not. get. it.


Burrell - May 26, 2003 1:02:41 pm PDT #2366 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

It never occurred to me that someone selected the next Slayer out of the pool of potentials. Hence the Council never knew of Buffy's existence until she was called.


sj - May 26, 2003 1:03:45 pm PDT #2367 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I just realized that now that Anya died all of the core four have had a love die.


amych - May 26, 2003 1:10:35 pm PDT #2368 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

It never occurred to me that someone selected the next Slayer out of the pool of potentials. Hence the Council never knew of Buffy's existence until she was called.

That's definitely something they've retconned -- and it's one of the things in s7 that really sits wrong with me. As you point out, the Council never knew about Buffy, and the moment of her calling was shown as something mystical. When Kendra showed up, we got the idea of potentials being identified and trained assuming that the council knew about them, but the calling was still, well, a calling.

It's only this season that we have, rather out of the blue, the suggestion that there was a selection process on the part of the Watchers or anyone else human.


§ ita § - May 26, 2003 1:11:22 pm PDT #2369 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's only this season that we have, rather out of the blue, the suggestion that there was a selection process on the part of the Watchers or anyone else human.

I missed this -- when did it get said?


Cindy - May 26, 2003 1:11:30 pm PDT #2370 of 10001
Nobody

It's only this season that we have, rather out of the blue, the suggestion that there was a selection process on the part of the Watchers or anyone else human.

Where did we have that suggestion, this season?


Frankenbuddha - May 26, 2003 1:14:08 pm PDT #2371 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

It's only this season that we have, rather out of the blue, the suggestion that there was a selection process on the part of the Watchers or anyone else human.

Huh - I didn't get that at all. I thought the watchers found potentials and trained them IN CASE they were called, but they didn't know one way or the other. And I don't remember anything this season that contradicted that.


amych - May 26, 2003 1:14:30 pm PDT #2372 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Hmm... now that you mention it, I felt like it was being at least strongly implied, but I don't have a specific quote to point to. I'll have to do some script research this evening.

(I kinda hope I'm wrong, actually, because it really did bug me.)