Danger's my birthright.

Buffy ,'The Killer In Me'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Cindy - May 26, 2003 7:48:55 am PDT #2344 of 10001
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I think Spike keeping that coat was an important symbol of the purpose of Lies My Parents Told Me. To free himself of the trigger, Spike had to stop denying his past, and come to terms with it; he had to accept that his past is part of what makes him who he is today.

I always thought the very end of Same Time Same Place was foreshadowing Buffy sharing power at the end of the series. Why? Because it wasn't organic to the episode. It seemed like it was deliberately included for a reason.

I knew it was important when I saw it. I wrote an essay about it. But why do you say it wasn't organic to the episode?


smonster - May 26, 2003 9:34:49 am PDT #2345 of 10001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Nice post, Anne.


Wenda - May 26, 2003 9:38:56 am PDT #2346 of 10001
"I'm a mouse with a piece of string, Bear. The possibilities are endless." - Tutter

Cindy, because there was nothing in the episode that led to the idea that sharing power was a resolution to the theme of the episode. The episode was about Willow feeling alienated from the others, punishing herself. Her lack of power wasn't an issue.


smonster - May 26, 2003 10:04:39 am PDT #2347 of 10001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Her lack of power wasn't an issue.

Well, with Willow it's been her fear of tapping into her power without losing it (could i say something more obvious?)

Still, it felt "organic" to me as an evocation of their friendship and the Scoobs' willingness to help Willow heal from her loss and her anger.


§ ita § - May 26, 2003 10:05:06 am PDT #2348 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I do think that some of that laughter at the end was joy along with the obvious defiance.

I thought it was because the scrubbing bubbles tickled.


P.M. Marc - May 26, 2003 10:09:36 am PDT #2349 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Still, it felt "organic" to me as an evocation of their friendship and the Scoobs' willingness to help Willow heal from her loss and her anger.

Yeah, what smonster said.


DCJensen - May 26, 2003 11:41:13 am PDT #2350 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

I'm just picturing the Sunnydale gorge/big ol hole becoming a tourist attraction.

"And over to your right, notice that the sinkhole stops about a mile or so from the docks. It's a lucky thing it did, because the resulting force of the ocean rushing in would have flooded more than just the sinkhole."

"Don't worry folks, the Army Corps of Engineers assures up there is solid bedrock and a rise between the gorge and the sea."

"However, if you look to your left, you will see the brand new Sunnydale waterfall. Denied an outlet to the ocean, the Arroyo Cañada de la Sol now empties into the gorge, producing the wonderful Valle Asoleado waterfall."

"A study is ongoing as to whether Valle Asoleado Lake, or Lago Asoleado del Valle, will fill the entire sinkhole or will continue to drain underground."


Trudy Booth - May 26, 2003 11:47:20 am PDT #2351 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

"We didn't just save the world, we changed the world."

THIS was why it got to end, you know? If it had just been one more apocalypse averted I'd have been grossly disappointed.


Frankenbuddha - May 26, 2003 11:54:43 am PDT #2352 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Anne, just wanted to say - beautiful post.

And ETA - yes Nilly, that was one of the songs cut to make the short version.

t boggles!


Nilly - May 26, 2003 11:59:57 am PDT #2353 of 10001
Swouncing

Thanks, Ken.

It also contains one of my most favorite silent moments of the whole show - all of Buffy and Giles' relationship in one glance and a smile, as a response to "hey, I've died twice".

t natter Also, Ken, I don't think I've ever posted 'with' you before, so welcome aboard! t /natter