Yes. Men like sports. Men watch the action movie, they eat of the beef, and enjoy to look at the bosoms. A thousand years of avenging our wrongs and that's all you've learned?

Xander ,'End of Days'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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P.M. Marc - May 25, 2003 10:32:38 pm PDT #2329 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

It's the flip in POV that gets me (I think "Old Apartment" by BNL does the same thing). Is it suddenly her singing? Who's the him?

IIRC, Jesus.

And she feeds you tea and oranges/ That come all the way from China

Constant Comment.


brenda m - May 25, 2003 10:34:53 pm PDT #2330 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

IIRC, Jesus

Yep, that's my take.

Heh. Don't Go Home With Your Hard-on just came up on my playlist (AIFG).


Elena - May 25, 2003 10:35:16 pm PDT #2331 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

Who's the him?

Right.

And Jesus was a sailor
when he walked upon the water
mumble something
He said 'All men will be sailors, then
until the sea shall free them'
But he himself was broken
long before the thought was spoken

Or words to that effect.


§ ita § - May 25, 2003 10:35:26 pm PDT #2332 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

IIRC, Jesus.

Okay. I'm good. It's the closest I'll ever come to having a song in my name, so I just needed to get it first.


P.M. Marc - May 25, 2003 10:37:10 pm PDT #2333 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Brenda, I love Don't Go Home With Your Hard On.

Pity about Spector being fucking nuts, because Death of a Ladies Man had a hell of a lot of potential.

I'm listening to Lover Lover Lover on repeat. AIFG.


Burrell - May 25, 2003 10:46:40 pm PDT #2334 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

mumble something

He spent a long time watching
from a lonely wooden tower
And when He knew for certain
only drowning men could see him
He said "All men shall be sailors, then...


DavidS - May 25, 2003 10:47:39 pm PDT #2335 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Pity about Spector being fucking nuts, because Death of a Ladies Man had a hell of a lot of potential.

We're covering it in the book.


P.M. Marc - May 25, 2003 10:48:33 pm PDT #2336 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

We're covering it in the book.

I know. You mentioned in Bitches. Which, of course, prompted my Defending of DoaLM back then.


Julie - May 26, 2003 12:31:01 am PDT #2337 of 10001

bigness of action, Buffy, all on her own, outrunning the implosion and leaping tall buildings in (almost) a single bound is literally larger.

Sure. But it's not an action that defeats the villain of the season or It's minions, which is why I consider it "denouement" rather than "climax."

Not to pull you back in when you thought you were out, Micole, but...

It's not minions that defeat the villain this season. Not for me.
And it's not Spike that gets the big moment.

The big moment, action wise, was Buffy's "Get out of my face."

That's when she was the selfless hero. That's when she stood up. And she took back what was hers. (Quite literally.) And she turned the tide. Again.

It's all, Chamberlainesque "Hold the line, Hold the line, Oh, dammit, I'll hold the line myself".

Look at the effect that it has on every other person in the room. Not symbolically. Not metaphorically. Buffy's resurgence actually strengthens them. They had faltered. And then they recovered.

Beating the First down? That was the victory, here.
All Spike did was a little post action cleaning, filled a few divots the party had opened up. It was the burn it down and salt the earth of season seven. But the battle had been fought and won by then. (Of course, getting out alive is always nice, too :)


Cindy - May 26, 2003 6:07:12 am PDT #2338 of 10001
Nobody

I'm with Julie on the fighting and winning.

Spike should totally die laughing. It's a perfect note for him to go out on.

Oh, I totally agree. It was perfect. I just find it interesting that he didn't get to go out "all fists and fangs" and still got to go out fighting in a way.

I'm glad there were no fangs. He retained some of his Spike (pre-soul and chip) look, but the amulet had scrubbing bubbles, etc. I like to think of him being purified. Heaven knows he needed it.