It's simple. I slap 'em around a bit, torture 'em, make their lives hell...Sure, the nice guys'll run away,but every now and then you'll find a prince like Spike who gets off on it.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Michele T. - May 25, 2003 5:44:10 pm PDT #2298 of 10001
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Jen - Agnès B. is a real store, and a very chic, very expensive, very French one.


§ ita § - May 25, 2003 5:45:08 pm PDT #2299 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think Buffy had even more power than any other slayer had ever had. The girl couldn't stay dead.

If you count power as friends, yes. Because they brought her back. I didn't think she had any more slayerness than any of the others, just more resources. Diverse resources, which are what helped her win.

So she was much more effective, but that doesn't lead me in the direction of a supernatural imbalance.


Frankenbuddha - May 25, 2003 5:46:45 pm PDT #2300 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

"Couldn't" stay dead or "wouldn't", hmmm?

Brought to you by "that sounded like it actually meant something in my head but, written down, not so much".


Micole - May 25, 2003 5:52:08 pm PDT #2301 of 10001
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

This couldn't be another Becoming because of the theme (or point, or something). The point to this season was that the slayer shouldn't be "the" slayer; all this power and weighty responsibility should not rest on the shoulders of one girl/young woman; that we shouldn't isolate, but lean on and support each other and work together.

Which is why it's ironic that the "Becoming" cross-cutting works better for me as a technique to support the point of a group working together than the "Chosen" technique of a montage followed by a solo scene. I wish the timing had been tweaked a bit.

I'm going to stop beating this dead horse now.

I think the flaw in the Slayer line was simply multiple Slayers. "Prophecy Girl" compounded by "Bargaining."


victor infante - May 25, 2003 6:17:58 pm PDT #2302 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Secret message to SA: His name is Crowley.


Cindy - May 25, 2003 6:23:48 pm PDT #2303 of 10001
Nobody

I think the flaw in the Slayer line was simply multiple Slayers. "Prophecy Girl" compounded by "Bargaining."

I would too, except that making everyone who could be a slayer, be a slayer, was their solution.

If you count power as friends, yes. Because they brought her back. I didn't think she had any more slayerness than any of the others, just more resources. Diverse resources, which are what helped her win.

So she was much more effective, but that doesn't lead me in the direction of a supernatural imbalance.

It's just how I make sense of it in my head. I don't think it was well executed. What the Eye of Beljoxa said should have meant something to someone, at some point, other than Giles and Anya, immediately after they were told. Buffy certainly was more powerful because of her human connections, but I don't think that's what they were selling with the Eye's statement. It comes across to me as if we were supposed to buy (just on the eye's statements) that Buffy herself was also more powerful than any other slayer. I think they didn't sell it well, though.


DavidS - May 25, 2003 6:24:48 pm PDT #2304 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I didn't really want to see Buffy save the day all by herself. She's done that several times already and that really wasn't the point this season. She had plenty of power shots and dramatic payoffs. Spike died for his closeup so I don't begrudge it to him.


Frankenbuddha - May 25, 2003 6:30:34 pm PDT #2305 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Spike died for his closeup so I don't begrudge it to him.

And the interesting thing is, he wen't out both like he wanted to, that is, in a fight to the death, and yet also not how he wanted to, that is, no fists and no fangs. And he went out in his human face. Laughing.

slight chill down the spine - in a good way.


Micole - May 25, 2003 6:35:53 pm PDT #2306 of 10001
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

I would too, except that making everyone who could be a slayer, be a slayer, was their solution.

But this was in response to the FE creating an army of ubervamps.

I'm not sure the FE plot can be made to make sense.


§ ita § - May 25, 2003 6:36:37 pm PDT #2307 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Spike should totally die laughing. It's a perfect note for him to go out on.