Oh, I wish those council guys would let me have an hour alone in the room with her, if I was larger and had grenades.

Willow ,'Storyteller'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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victor infante - May 25, 2003 6:17:58 pm PDT #2302 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Secret message to SA: His name is Crowley.


Cindy - May 25, 2003 6:23:48 pm PDT #2303 of 10001
Nobody

I think the flaw in the Slayer line was simply multiple Slayers. "Prophecy Girl" compounded by "Bargaining."

I would too, except that making everyone who could be a slayer, be a slayer, was their solution.

If you count power as friends, yes. Because they brought her back. I didn't think she had any more slayerness than any of the others, just more resources. Diverse resources, which are what helped her win.

So she was much more effective, but that doesn't lead me in the direction of a supernatural imbalance.

It's just how I make sense of it in my head. I don't think it was well executed. What the Eye of Beljoxa said should have meant something to someone, at some point, other than Giles and Anya, immediately after they were told. Buffy certainly was more powerful because of her human connections, but I don't think that's what they were selling with the Eye's statement. It comes across to me as if we were supposed to buy (just on the eye's statements) that Buffy herself was also more powerful than any other slayer. I think they didn't sell it well, though.


DavidS - May 25, 2003 6:24:48 pm PDT #2304 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I didn't really want to see Buffy save the day all by herself. She's done that several times already and that really wasn't the point this season. She had plenty of power shots and dramatic payoffs. Spike died for his closeup so I don't begrudge it to him.


Frankenbuddha - May 25, 2003 6:30:34 pm PDT #2305 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Spike died for his closeup so I don't begrudge it to him.

And the interesting thing is, he wen't out both like he wanted to, that is, in a fight to the death, and yet also not how he wanted to, that is, no fists and no fangs. And he went out in his human face. Laughing.

slight chill down the spine - in a good way.


Micole - May 25, 2003 6:35:53 pm PDT #2306 of 10001
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

I would too, except that making everyone who could be a slayer, be a slayer, was their solution.

But this was in response to the FE creating an army of ubervamps.

I'm not sure the FE plot can be made to make sense.


§ ita § - May 25, 2003 6:36:37 pm PDT #2307 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Spike should totally die laughing. It's a perfect note for him to go out on.


Frankenbuddha - May 25, 2003 6:41:52 pm PDT #2308 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Spike should totally die laughing. It's a perfect note for him to go out on.

Oh, I totally agree. It was perfect. I just find it interesting that he didn't get to go out "all fists and fangs" and still got to go out fighting in a way.


smonster - May 25, 2003 9:14:03 pm PDT #2309 of 10001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Preparing to post filk. It'll be a friggin' miracle if I get all the html right. It'll be another few minutes, so please don't get all breath holdy yet.


smonster - May 25, 2003 9:22:55 pm PDT #2310 of 10001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

So this is a companion filk to the one I delurked with, which was also a Cohen song. You can find it here. That was based on Famous Blue Raincoat, this is based on So Long, Marianne.

Also, you should read the book I'm about to quote, if you haven't already.

When she is old, grey-haired, he will love her for all the seasons she contains.
I Was Amelia Earhart by Jane Mendelsohn

Angel sits in his car, steeling himself for the drive back to L.A. He starts the ignition, wincing as the radio in the GTX blares a Manilow tune. Already peeling out of the deserted town, he scrabbles around for a cassette, jamming in the first tape he finds. Sweet relief, Leonard Cohen. Over the dark, empty miles, his anger and confusion start to fade. Images of Buffy kicking Caleb’s ass, cracking a corny pun, and reaching up to kiss him superimpose themselves on his view of the highway. Angel has to admit, she’s changed a lot. He remembers his first glimpse of her, lollipop and all. He remembers their first meeting and their most recent. He remembers one short exchange in between, just his four words and her one in reply. A faint smile flickers at the corner of his mouth. He ain’t getting any older. The lyrics start to rearrange themselves in his head…

So Long, Buffy Anne

I wish I could have told you, my lethal darling,
Of Cordy, Jasmine, and my son.
I used to think I was some kind of champion,
but more and more I just don’t know…

Now so long, Buffy Anne, it’s time that you began
To slay and kill and kill and slay to save the world again.

Well you know that I’d love to live with you,
but you make me forget so very much.
I forgot the reasons I was Angel,
And so then I awoke as Angelus…

Now so long, Buffy Anne…

We met when you were very young
But I’d passed the two-century mark.
You burned me with your love and your crucifix
As we went slaying through the dark.

Oh so long, Buffy Anne...

You wouldn’t let me stay beside you now;
It hurts to know Spike waits at home.
But years down the line, please keep me in mind,
When you’re no longer cookie dough…

Now so long, Buffy Anne...

For now I’ll settle for your hidden love
On this long road back to “Hell A.”
You think I left you feeling furious --
I’ve just gotten tired of acting brave

Oh so long, Buffy Anne...

So you’re no longer the only chosen one --
You won by breaking all the rules again.
I fell for the girl who would save the world,
I love more the woman she became…

Oh so long, Buffy Anne...

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P.M. Marc - May 25, 2003 9:45:17 pm PDT #2311 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Well you know that I’d love to live with you,
but you make me forget so very much.
I forgot the reasons I was Angel,
And so then I awoke as Angelus…

LOVELY!

And also...

For now I’ll settle for your hidden love
On this long road back to “Hell A.”
You think I left you feeling furious --
I’ve just gotten tired of acting brave

Heartbreaking.