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'Objects In Space'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Micole - May 25, 2003 4:02:55 pm PDT #2284 of 10001
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

bigness of action, Buffy, all on her own, outrunning the implosion and leaping tall buildings in (almost) a single bound is literally larger.

Sure. But it's not an action that defeats the villain of the season or Its minions, which is why I consider it "denoument" rather than "climax."

Emphasis on the *I*, because while denoument and climax may have objective definitions as ideas, pinpointing their occurences in individual works will always be a somewhat subjective endeavor.


SailAweigh - May 25, 2003 4:06:03 pm PDT #2285 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I liked the end, with Buffy just smiling. It had the feel of Scarlett at the end of GWTW saying, "I'll think about it tomorrow" (or whatever exactly it was). Buffy is in a good place for her emotionally. Spike's question in "Beneath You" has finally been answered and, yes, they can both rest. (In peace in Spike's case, sniff).


Frankenbuddha - May 25, 2003 4:09:09 pm PDT #2286 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Well, is the FE even dead? I doubt it. Just it's current plan is spoiled, and now it's a much bigger problem to go around trying to pick off the slayers. Spike didn't really have much to do with that, he just took out the immediate threat - the hellmouth. Not that that's nothing, but not necessarily the be-all-end-all. And of course, he had nothing to do with making Caleb biscectual. In a sense, it was Willow who was the big hero, if it was anyone.


Burrell - May 25, 2003 4:13:46 pm PDT #2287 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Wasn't part of the point that it's not about THE Hero anymore? There's plenty of heroic to go around, some of it big--Spike--and some of it small--Anya--but none of it meaningless.


Frankenbuddha - May 25, 2003 4:18:58 pm PDT #2288 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Yes, Burrell, exactly that. Which is why the FE is mostly frelled.


SailAweigh - May 25, 2003 4:21:26 pm PDT #2289 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Exactly Burrell, we're all heroes of our own story. Seeing all the potentials coming into their own power shows us that. They may not know about vampires and demons, but they know about their own personal demons and that they now have the power to triumph over them.


§ ita § - May 25, 2003 4:23:04 pm PDT #2290 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And when my army outnumbers the humans on this earth the scales will tip and I will be made flesh.

By destroying Caleb (current source of bringers), the Uruk Hai, and the Hellmouth, I think she's dented his plan.

And her army is much more able than before.


Elena - May 25, 2003 4:49:25 pm PDT #2291 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

Well, is the FE even dead?

I don't think that you can eliminate evil from the world.

I had another point, but I can't remember it. Move along, nothing to see here.


Connie Neil - May 25, 2003 5:28:12 pm PDT #2292 of 10001
brillig

Just looked at the picture of Xander. I didn't realize Anya was on his blind side. He'd have seen her otherwise.

Or, in other words, (*sob*)


Connie Neil - May 25, 2003 5:28:18 pm PDT #2293 of 10001
brillig