You have the emotional maturity of a blueberry scone.

Giles ,'Touched'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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SailAweigh - May 25, 2003 4:06:03 pm PDT #2285 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I liked the end, with Buffy just smiling. It had the feel of Scarlett at the end of GWTW saying, "I'll think about it tomorrow" (or whatever exactly it was). Buffy is in a good place for her emotionally. Spike's question in "Beneath You" has finally been answered and, yes, they can both rest. (In peace in Spike's case, sniff).


Frankenbuddha - May 25, 2003 4:09:09 pm PDT #2286 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Well, is the FE even dead? I doubt it. Just it's current plan is spoiled, and now it's a much bigger problem to go around trying to pick off the slayers. Spike didn't really have much to do with that, he just took out the immediate threat - the hellmouth. Not that that's nothing, but not necessarily the be-all-end-all. And of course, he had nothing to do with making Caleb biscectual. In a sense, it was Willow who was the big hero, if it was anyone.


Burrell - May 25, 2003 4:13:46 pm PDT #2287 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Wasn't part of the point that it's not about THE Hero anymore? There's plenty of heroic to go around, some of it big--Spike--and some of it small--Anya--but none of it meaningless.


Frankenbuddha - May 25, 2003 4:18:58 pm PDT #2288 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Yes, Burrell, exactly that. Which is why the FE is mostly frelled.


SailAweigh - May 25, 2003 4:21:26 pm PDT #2289 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Exactly Burrell, we're all heroes of our own story. Seeing all the potentials coming into their own power shows us that. They may not know about vampires and demons, but they know about their own personal demons and that they now have the power to triumph over them.


§ ita § - May 25, 2003 4:23:04 pm PDT #2290 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And when my army outnumbers the humans on this earth the scales will tip and I will be made flesh.

By destroying Caleb (current source of bringers), the Uruk Hai, and the Hellmouth, I think she's dented his plan.

And her army is much more able than before.


Elena - May 25, 2003 4:49:25 pm PDT #2291 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

Well, is the FE even dead?

I don't think that you can eliminate evil from the world.

I had another point, but I can't remember it. Move along, nothing to see here.


Connie Neil - May 25, 2003 5:28:12 pm PDT #2292 of 10001
brillig

Just looked at the picture of Xander. I didn't realize Anya was on his blind side. He'd have seen her otherwise.

Or, in other words, (*sob*)


Connie Neil - May 25, 2003 5:28:18 pm PDT #2293 of 10001
brillig

Cindy - May 25, 2003 5:34:06 pm PDT #2294 of 10001
Nobody

My problem with the climax isn't so much that Spike got to share the hero's journey (although I do have one). I had the same problem with "Grave," and I don't begrudge Xander his triumph the way I begrudge Spike his (and that latter is My Personal Issue): despite the strength of the ensemble, this is a show about an individual's hero's journey, and I think--as a *structural* reinforcement for the emotional themes of the season--that individual should get the action climax of the season, and in fact the action and emotional climaxes should be the same.

This couldn't be another Becoming because of the theme (or point, or something). The point to this season was that the slayer shouldn't be "the" slayer; all this power and weighty responsibility should not rest on the shoulders of one girl/young woman; that we shouldn't isolate, but lean on and support each other and work together. Buffy did defeat the real biggest evil, and that was her aloneness. Spike just got a shiny, killing moment, that's all.

Well, is the FE even dead? I doubt it. Just it's current plan is spoiled, and now it's a much bigger problem to go around trying to pick off the slayers.

There's no longer a power imbalance with one slayer having so much more power than any other human, so the FE is not dead (because it is the essence of evil), but the imbalance that allowed it to visually manifest is gone.