No problem, Ms V. Sorry you're feeling that way, and I hope it's not something you're picking up around here.

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Heh. I actually yelled at my sister today to the tune of "Do you know how pissed at you I would be right now if someone hadn't already spoiled me on that yesterday!"

We all, spoiler hos and 'phobes alike, get pretty silly sometimes.

No no no. It's never the Buffistas! It was mostly like, the last crusade against spoilers, because stupid reporters and the like kept bringing it up in interviews with some of the crew, and especially Joss. I remember one which said something to the effect 'those who like to see the show pure, that is who I am talking to.' It just seemed kinda poopy.

Yeah, the writers were poopheads about We the Spoiled. I believe that's about when I started my Spoiler Pride drive on my LJ, and made my Spoiler Ho user icons.

Sigh.

First off, apologies to DXMachina for not getting the whiteout text from an earlier post formatted properly even after two edits.

Second, I'm betting dollars to donuts thatwhenever S7's DVD compilation comes out, that we'll see either "deleted scenes" from the series finale or alternate endings.

Other than that, next fall is going to really suck. I have my television priorities -- Buffy, Angel, Gilmore Girls, and college football. Not having new fresh piping hot Buffys is going to be tough to get used to.

Bummer.

They just had three fresh-water otters on Leno-named Buffy, Xander, and Willow. I kid you not.

I guess I just never saw it as destruction of my enjoyment or appreciation. In many cases it made me appreciate more. Also, I tried to keep myself out of the spoiler thread, and I just couldn't, I thought the whole reality of the show ending was shock enough to deal with. I was addicted to the spoilage, and once you're in your in .

Plei, you are immortalized for the evil cow in COMM. :-) And I think it shall now be my tag.

Miss V--I don't think the writers have any problem with spoiler lovers who use them to help them enjoy the show. I know a writer and she was always happy to spoil me! I think they don't like spoilerphiles who read spoilers and then spent a lot of bandwidth criticizing a show they hadn't seen. I don't blame them--when I write somehting, I want the reader to read it and then make up their mind, not read a description of it or speculation about it.

I remember one which said something to the effect 'those who like to see the show pure, that is who I am talking to.' It just seemed kinda poopy.

Not to mention kinda pointless, since they're the ones who won't be reading the interview. Oops.

I've had similar conversations with people who like to check out the ending of novels before they read them. How can you say that one way is wrong? For me, the surprise and the suspense adds to my enjoyment. But I would never say that seeking out spoilers ruins or detracts from the experience - clearly it doesn't, or you wouldn't be doing it.

Some people are just married to the concept of the One Way, I guess.

Very very good point scrappy.

I just got this feeling that in many cases they thought the Spoiled Ones were infecting everyone, like, running around with sandwhich boards that detailed everything that was going to happen or passing out fliers. I always made it very clear to my Buffy buds that I was spoiled, and if they chose to ask me certain questions I would answer, whenever they said "stop! I don't want to know anymore!" I obviously respected their wishes. And even, a lot of the time when I knew they didn't really want to be spoiled, but asked questions in the heat of the moment, I would tell them to shut up and watch the show :-)

Edited for: Also, very good point brenda!

If I were Joss and Joss were me, he'd be six and I'd...

..no, wait. That's not what I meant to say.

If I were Joss, I imagine I would get upset about entire (and extremely critical) discussions about a plot point that was read, not viewed in context, not "bought" as it was (intended to be) sold.

I think I'd feel that my what was more important than my how. And given that I'd consider myself an artist, a creator who made stories, in a particular way, intended to be viewed as a whole, who gave thought to the design and the staging and the direction and the music and the dialogue, I think I'd be pissed, too. A bit.

The beauty of Chosen for me was its place as episode one hundred and forty four. And a big big part of that was the continuity nods and the fandom shout outs and the weight of seven seasons of buffy-xander-willow-gilesness being brought to bear. Not so much that Buffy took a big axe and made Caleb bisectual. And that apparently she'd doughy. And there may (or may not) have been sacred-pre-school-bus-sex. And then Buffy sliced and diced a party pack of u-vamps.

She saved the day, again.

It's the again in that sentence that gives it its strength. And that comes from a hella lotta in context viewing.

Because on its own, that's what I'd expect from the title character of the show. And then, how is it different to Batman and Robin? Or even, Hart to Hart?

If it was all just about who did what to whom in the conservatory with the candlestick, we'd follow the show by reading the TV guide's paragraph each week, or watching the television commercials. There's not a lot of glory to be had that way, I think. (Well not unless you're "The Bold and The Beautiful" and let's not go to that discussion place :)

That a person spoils to avoid the suspense, the shock, the down moments (and me? I'm not so sure where they get their highs, either) is one thing. But the critical fandom backlash that accompanied every major plot or casting decision would be/is/was exhausting. No matter how right an action for that character at that point of the story it is, someone, somewhere thinks it's the wrong choice. Even before they've seen it played out. It's impossible for someone (anyone, me, Joss, Bueller) to write for that person. So, I guess, Joss just chose to not do so.

damned it's its and nits