They just had three fresh-water otters on Leno-named Buffy, Xander, and Willow. I kid you not.

I guess I just never saw it as destruction of my enjoyment or appreciation. In many cases it made me appreciate more. Also, I tried to keep myself out of the spoiler thread, and I just couldn't, I thought the whole reality of the show ending was shock enough to deal with. I was addicted to the spoilage, and once you're in your in .

Plei, you are immortalized for the evil cow in COMM. :-) And I think it shall now be my tag.

Miss V--I don't think the writers have any problem with spoiler lovers who use them to help them enjoy the show. I know a writer and she was always happy to spoil me! I think they don't like spoilerphiles who read spoilers and then spent a lot of bandwidth criticizing a show they hadn't seen. I don't blame them--when I write somehting, I want the reader to read it and then make up their mind, not read a description of it or speculation about it.

I remember one which said something to the effect 'those who like to see the show pure, that is who I am talking to.' It just seemed kinda poopy.

Not to mention kinda pointless, since they're the ones who won't be reading the interview. Oops.

I've had similar conversations with people who like to check out the ending of novels before they read them. How can you say that one way is wrong? For me, the surprise and the suspense adds to my enjoyment. But I would never say that seeking out spoilers ruins or detracts from the experience - clearly it doesn't, or you wouldn't be doing it.

Some people are just married to the concept of the One Way, I guess.

Very very good point scrappy.

I just got this feeling that in many cases they thought the Spoiled Ones were infecting everyone, like, running around with sandwhich boards that detailed everything that was going to happen or passing out fliers. I always made it very clear to my Buffy buds that I was spoiled, and if they chose to ask me certain questions I would answer, whenever they said "stop! I don't want to know anymore!" I obviously respected their wishes. And even, a lot of the time when I knew they didn't really want to be spoiled, but asked questions in the heat of the moment, I would tell them to shut up and watch the show :-)

Edited for: Also, very good point brenda!

If I were Joss and Joss were me, he'd be six and I'd...

..no, wait. That's not what I meant to say.

If I were Joss, I imagine I would get upset about entire (and extremely critical) discussions about a plot point that was read, not viewed in context, not "bought" as it was (intended to be) sold.

I think I'd feel that my what was more important than my how. And given that I'd consider myself an artist, a creator who made stories, in a particular way, intended to be viewed as a whole, who gave thought to the design and the staging and the direction and the music and the dialogue, I think I'd be pissed, too. A bit.

The beauty of Chosen for me was its place as episode one hundred and forty four. And a big big part of that was the continuity nods and the fandom shout outs and the weight of seven seasons of buffy-xander-willow-gilesness being brought to bear. Not so much that Buffy took a big axe and made Caleb bisectual. And that apparently she'd doughy. And there may (or may not) have been sacred-pre-school-bus-sex. And then Buffy sliced and diced a party pack of u-vamps.

She saved the day, again.

It's the again in that sentence that gives it its strength. And that comes from a hella lotta in context viewing.

Because on its own, that's what I'd expect from the title character of the show. And then, how is it different to Batman and Robin? Or even, Hart to Hart?

If it was all just about who did what to whom in the conservatory with the candlestick, we'd follow the show by reading the TV guide's paragraph each week, or watching the television commercials. There's not a lot of glory to be had that way, I think. (Well not unless you're "The Bold and The Beautiful" and let's not go to that discussion place :)

That a person spoils to avoid the suspense, the shock, the down moments (and me? I'm not so sure where they get their highs, either) is one thing. But the critical fandom backlash that accompanied every major plot or casting decision would be/is/was exhausting. No matter how right an action for that character at that point of the story it is, someone, somewhere thinks it's the wrong choice. Even before they've seen it played out. It's impossible for someone (anyone, me, Joss, Bueller) to write for that person. So, I guess, Joss just chose to not do so.

damned it's its and nits

24 hours later, and it's still at the front of my mind.

Tonight at the ice rink there was a girl, about 12 years old, working on beginner half-rotation jumps. She was barely even getting off the ice. But every time she landed one cleanly, she just got the most joyous smile on her face and pumped her fist. She looked just like Michelle Kwan looks when she's landed her final triple of a perfect program and is about to pull the crowd out of their seats with the brilliance of her final footwork pass. And whenever I saw her smile like that, I thought of the softball slayer and got all sniffly.

And I feel like I always do whenever I see or read a really good story with a Final Epic Battle--just a teensy bit disappointed I don't live in a world where you can hand me a sword and point me toward the evil, but at the same time kinda reinspired for what I believe to be my own calling, such as it is. Like I want to tell the best stories I can, and love my husband with my whole heart, and be the best friend I know how to be, and make my voice heard on issues that matter to me, because that's my fight to make the world a better place, and to be who I was meant to be. My power may be small, but it's still a better world if I use it, than if I let it waste because it's not big enough to fix everything I see broken.

God, I'm such a sap.

God, I'm such a sap.

And God how the world needs more such. :)

I honestly didn't mean to open a whole can of spoiler conflict worms!

The thing with me personally is, I never spoiled before this year. And I did because I wasn't really all that thrilled with the way the story was going. I thought there were too many irrelevant storylines and I wanted to know what was important and what wasn't. Which brought me to the buffistas spoilers. So essentially, my spoiling got me the buffistas, I chock that in the plus column. But other than that, it just made me aware of what I should pay attention to and what was really kind of just, there. That and, I really just felt like I really didn't care enough about this arc I couldn't comprehend where things were going. I cared more once I was spoiled, and again, found the buffistas. So in my case, I had more yay than nay and I still got my highs and lows and all the in-betweens.

Season list? 3, 4, 2, 1, 5, 6, 7.

BTW, I not only am not disempowered, I've never been disempowered. I've been an arrogant asskicker from about aged 10 (when I shot the male relative who'd tried to molest me through the bicep with my bow and arrow). And I envied Betsy having her daughter on her lap for that "choices" speech.

Whoever it was who said women in America are whitefonted today, it's nauseating and true and the more we can kick out the fucking jams, the better I'm going to like it.