What you did to me was unbelievable, Connor. But then I got stuck in a hell dimension by my girlfriend one time for a hundred years, so three months under the ocean actually gave me perspective. Kind of a M.C. Escher perspective, but I did get time to think.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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DCJensen - May 21, 2003 4:59:52 pm PDT #1783 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

sex in the pre-school bus scene

Cindy, The wording of this made me "ew."

Then I thought of the way that line would be handled on Sports Night.

Jeremy:"They had sex in a preschool bus?"
Natalie: "Not preschool, pre-schoolbus"
Jeremy: "Seems to be a time when preschool busses were sacred."
Dana, Walking in: "Sacred schoolbus sex? And here I thought you two were somewhat normal."
Natalie and Jeremy: "We're normal!"
Dan walks in. "Who's normal?"
Dana: "I thought they were."
Jeremy: "We are. We're normal"
Casey, pops head in. "Who wants normal, I think they're cute together."
Dana: "They are cute, it's just this sex in a sacred preschool bus thing that has me worried."
Casey: " Sacred schoolbus? That's not normal."
Dan: "That is not normal."
Dana: "See? not normal"
Natalie:"We're normal!"
...





Maysa - May 21, 2003 5:13:08 pm PDT #1784 of 10001

I don't have anything to add, you guys and gals said all the good and not so good things I was thinking after I saw the episode last night. Today, though, I'm past all the continuity problems and time wasted in S7, and I'm just grateful. The finale kicked ass.

I know some people think that the slayer-awakening-montage was cheesy, but I loved it more than anything. Did any of you guys see the Domestic Violence documentary on PBS a few weeks ago? When I watched it I had an epiphany about how much our culture sucks, how the women in that movie (both the abused women and their counselors) were so fucking strong and effulgent and how everything powerful and awesome about women and men is whitefonted in America right now. Because, let's face it, women's appearance may be obsessed over in every tv show, every movie, every magazine--but our beauty is ignored.

When Buffy gave her speech it was so, just, sublime. We don't have to play by their rules. We keep doing it, but we could revolt tomorrow. One slayer in all the world never seemed practical to me. How was one girl even gonna make a dent? But one girl is easier to control and that's what the Watcher's Council and all the other Big Bads did. They made the slayer play by their rules. Until Buffy.

I'm already picturing the gang forming a Slayer's Collective. I think it's near a beautiful lake somewhere. And everyone is welcome and all knowledge is free.


sumi - May 21, 2003 5:25:57 pm PDT #1785 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Wow. Finally reached the end. Okay - -I had other things keeping me away from the thread.

Really enjoyed the finale - - although it left me feeling abit - - I don't know empty? Lonesome - - because it's the end.

I watched it twice last night - - I never saw Buffy's plan coming - - although I guessed that whatever they would do would involve Willow. I didn't start tearing up 'til the Andrew-Xander conversation and then I would get all teary for the rest of the evening. . .while I was watching 24, WNTW, Lucky . . .

Of course, the second time around I got teary when Buffy was out on her porch for the last time.


Anne W. - May 21, 2003 5:35:27 pm PDT #1786 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I just rewatched, and one thing that stood out this time was how Faith was finally integrated into the group. Buffy, when she thought she was down for the count, handed the axe to Faith and told her to "hold the line." In a way, she truly acknowledged Faith as the Slayer. At the end, she was standing with the core four (and Dawn) and even joined in with the teasing and banter. Willow, of all people, played along with the "you've got my vote" line.

Once more, I was gobsmacked by Vi's toughness, and the look on the face of the abused girl as she blocked her abuser's fist.


Cindy - May 21, 2003 5:37:55 pm PDT #1787 of 10001
Nobody

One slayer in all the world never seemed practical to me. How was one girl even gonna make a dent? But one girl is easier to control and that's what the Watcher's Council and all the other Big Bads did. They made the slayer play by their rules. Until Buffy.

Bless you. I have been saying that to anyone who would listen since Get It Done (erm... also since Checkpoint but that's a whole 'nutha community).

And Daniel - ew, I second your ewww, but raise you a bwah.

*note to self - watch how you word things, see pre-school bus ewww*


Katerina Bee - May 21, 2003 5:40:17 pm PDT #1788 of 10001
Herding cats for fun

Whew. I reached the end of the thread, all emotionally wrung out. Sniff. So many beautiful moments made it a little easier to see the characters I've grown to love ride off into the sunset, free. Loved Buffy's smile. It had a world of dawning possibility in it. Wherever her life takes her now, I am sure it will be full of adventure. And shoes!

The Actual End is much like my personal Fantasy End: I saw the Scoobies running a Slayer School, thus making the world a safer place "where Hope can lift her lantern." I didn't get Hogwarts, Slayer Style, but the female empowerment thing? I loved that Buffy got to turn the original Watcher plan right on its ear.

And if I dare schmoop a bit, knowing that the Buffistas will continue after 5/20/03 has put a warm glow in my grieving fangurlie heart. Buffistas rock. All of you. A lot.

So, thanks!


Amber B. - May 21, 2003 5:41:30 pm PDT #1789 of 10001
I'm beginning to understand this now. It's all about the journey, isn't it?

Oh my god. That Dork Tower strip that Aimee linked to is just perfect.

One slayer in all the world never seemed practical to me. How was one girl even gonna make a dent? But one girl is easier to control and that's what the Watcher's Council and all the other Big Bads did. They made the slayer play by their rules. Until Buffy.

Stop making me cry!


Katerina Bee - May 21, 2003 5:42:13 pm PDT #1790 of 10001
Herding cats for fun

Oh, and Daniel? I had the bestest dream that you wrote a filk and got JM to perform it for the Buffistas. We were all suitably impressed, too. It's a nice day for a White Willow, rowr!


victor infante - May 21, 2003 5:43:12 pm PDT #1791 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Buffy, when she thought she was down for the count, handed the axe to Faith and told her to "hold the line."

The movement of the Notafricking!scythe is actually rather fascinating. Willow sends Kennedy to pass it to Buffy; Buffy uses it until she falls, then passes it to Faith; Faith uses it for a bit and then (I don't recall how) passes it to Rona, who passes it back to Buffy when she's on her feet again. It becomes another symbol of the girls sharing their power. Tres cool.


Miss Vanna - May 21, 2003 5:50:49 pm PDT #1792 of 10001
I 've been hands under the shirt, over the bra, Calvins in a wad on the front seat with some S7 Buffy spoilers - but we never went all the way ~tinaf

Okay, I go to visit family for one day...not even a full 12 hours and there are 256 posts! See, this is why I cannot leave the computer for lengthy periods of time.

So I'm kinda caught up...Plei, the evil cow. May I tag? I like cows, I think they are cute, it's kind of fitting.

Also one thing I forgot to mention last night, but a small detail I wouldn't normally notice on the first watch. Buffy was wearing pointy shoes during her battle. And okay, I get that is sort of in now, but pointy dress shoes? Come on...wear you damn knee highs, its the end of the world as we know it, bust out some ass-kicking gear. Anyway, after the Magic School Bus stops and Buffy jumps off, the scene where they show her leaping to the ground, my sister was like "hey, the shoes aren't pointy anymore!" Clearly the pointy shoes should have been omitted altogether, they either got nubbed down during the battle...or the stunt double couldn't hack the big leap with the pointy shoes.

I think this works nicely with Buffy's desire for shoes. And, subsequently, mine. That is all.