Tara: That was funny if you've studied Taglarin mystic rites and... are a total dork... Riley: Then how come Xander didn't laugh?

'Selfless'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Betsy HP - May 21, 2003 12:43:32 pm PDT #1704 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Scrappy, can you expand on "needs a third act"? I tried, but I was talking out my hat. (A nice straw fedora.)


§ ita § - May 21, 2003 12:44:16 pm PDT #1705 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The loveliness of the finale for me is that it nullified the idea of season 8, without invalidating seasons 1 through 7.

Connie, as a woman who has never felt disempowered either, I though the premise lovely because, dammit, not all women are as pigheadedlucky as I've been, and it's just one of those moments that will always get me, no specific gender required, where from either inside or symbolically from outside, one finds the strength to do what one couldn't before.

Automatic crypoint.


ZeusGirl - May 21, 2003 12:46:46 pm PDT #1706 of 10001
"Angel and Spike, The Starsky and Hutch of the Netherworld" - Albert Einstein in his speech to the U.N. Security Council, Sept., 1955.

That's why I thought there was no sex, too. I think his t-shirt was even tucked in.

I believe the padlock on his jeans was also still intact.

So there was really a scene with Wooden Robin and the Gilesbot sharing a joint? Definitely would have liked to have seen a shot on the bus with Giles shotgunning the rest of the doobie to Wood in order to keep him alive.

"Inhale, man. Dammit, inhale."


Winnow - May 21, 2003 12:47:23 pm PDT #1707 of 10001
Don't make me come down there!

I have what I think is an idiotic question, but here goes. What did the FE want? I'm really having a hard time figuring out what the goal was for the FE. To wipe out the slayer line? Because after seeing the baseball girl etc, it just seems like it wouldn't have ever worked.


amych - May 21, 2003 12:48:59 pm PDT #1708 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

What did the FE want?

The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world.


Anne W. - May 21, 2003 12:52:04 pm PDT #1709 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Just got the following quote in the upper right:

You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends. Spike, "Lover's Walk."

What's ironic (to me, anyway), is that while the first three items on Spike's list were all too true for him and Buffy throughout the years, I feel that in the end, the two of them did wind up with a deep sort of friendship.


Sue - May 21, 2003 12:52:21 pm PDT #1710 of 10001
hip deep in pie

What did the FE want?

It did say that once it defeated Buffy and took over, it would become corporeal.


ted r - May 21, 2003 12:52:24 pm PDT #1711 of 10001
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

First, thanks for the Salon article!

I said last night at Deb's, "You know, the show really could have ended at S5 and I'd have been satisfied."

Not only would I not be satisfied, I quite possibly never would have seen it (since it was OMWF that made me a Buffy watcher).

To me it seemed like the Kennedy character was brought in for a little ratings hike (two hot babes kissing - OK, we get it already!!), and for annoying us because of her unrelenting criticism of Buffy.

I like Kennedy-even before she admitted she was a brat. Which she is-but that was exactly what Willow needed (someone pushy who wouldn't take no) and I liked her for Willow's sake first (and at the end for her own sake).

Very hard for me to rank the seasons. 1 is by a wide margin the weakest for me, 2,3 and 6 get an A overall and 4,5, and 7 get a solid B. But half of all the episodes get a B+ or better from me, and about one third get an A- to an A+. In the entire 144 episodes there isn't one that doesn't have at least 10 minutes I like, and just 5 that ONLY have 10 minutes I like (Reptile Boy, Bad Eggs, Weight of the World, Wrecked, DMP).

Easier for me to list, say, my 27 favorite episodes (in chronological order): Welcome to the Hellmouth, Passion, Phases, Becoming, Lovers Walk, The Wish, Dopplegangland, Earshot, The Prom, Graduation, Pangs, Something Blue, Hush, Restless, Fool For Love, The Body, The Gift, Bargaining, OMWF, Tabula Rasa, Dead Things, Two To Go, Grave, Beneath You, Selfless, CWDP, Chosen.


Jenny_G - May 21, 2003 12:54:27 pm PDT #1712 of 10001
One eye out for highway danger, the other out for fruit. - fr. Martin Mull's Truckdrivin' Songs for the Eight Basic Food Groups

Also, didn't Spike say that the time he spent cuddling with Buffy was the best night of his life?

The difference between their interactions in S6 and S7 (and yeah, Buffy was using Spike in S6) is that in S7 they were honest - with each other, with the rest of the Scoobies, and with themselves. Yes, Buffy and Spike needed/wanted different things. But that's true of virtually all relationships.

Incidentally, am I the only one who saw parallels between the early stages of Spike/Buffy and the early stages of Xander/Cordelia?


Sophia Brooks - May 21, 2003 12:54:38 pm PDT #1713 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I am going to buck the trend and say I liked Season 5 the best. Because it was my first, and I remember it the most.