Who was the real power? The Captain? or Tenille?

Xander ,'Showtime'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Jenny_G - May 21, 2003 12:54:27 pm PDT #1712 of 10001
One eye out for highway danger, the other out for fruit. - fr. Martin Mull's Truckdrivin' Songs for the Eight Basic Food Groups

Also, didn't Spike say that the time he spent cuddling with Buffy was the best night of his life?

The difference between their interactions in S6 and S7 (and yeah, Buffy was using Spike in S6) is that in S7 they were honest - with each other, with the rest of the Scoobies, and with themselves. Yes, Buffy and Spike needed/wanted different things. But that's true of virtually all relationships.

Incidentally, am I the only one who saw parallels between the early stages of Spike/Buffy and the early stages of Xander/Cordelia?


Sophia Brooks - May 21, 2003 12:54:38 pm PDT #1713 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I am going to buck the trend and say I liked Season 5 the best. Because it was my first, and I remember it the most.


billytea - May 21, 2003 12:56:09 pm PDT #1714 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I have what I think is an idiotic question, but here goes. What did the FE want? I'm really having a hard time figuring out what the goal was for the FE. To wipe out the slayer line? Because after seeing the baseball girl etc, it just seems like it wouldn't have ever worked.

Ok, I might try a leetle fanwank. One thing I occasionally pondered, in that idle, lazy sunny day kind of way, was: when do potentials become potentials? We know when we get a new Slayer; now apparently there were a stack of girls from whom to choose.

To put it another way, the FE seemed for most of the season to be pretty insistent on the order in which they had to die: SiTs first, then Faith, then Buffy. What if it'd killed nearly all the SiTs, but then Faith has an unfortunate accident with an electric toenail clipper and a new one got called. Would that also spark a fresh crop of potentials, so the FE has to start all over again, or do they build up again only gradually?

So my FW is that, when Willow cast the spell, she triggered the next Slayer, and in so doing, created some new Potentials too - that is, the accession of a new Slayer is the trigger for Potentials to potentify. Thanks to the spell, however, they went straight to Slayerdom.

The only problem is that I don't yet have a decent mechanism in place to stop that process at one crop. But then, now the rules have changed, the way the line(s) of succession works needs to be rethought anyway.


Amber B. - May 21, 2003 12:57:20 pm PDT #1715 of 10001
I'm beginning to understand this now. It's all about the journey, isn't it?

The scene in the high school, which starts with the Slayer and her herd and then thins down to just the core four, then Buffy, Willow and Xander walking down the hallway, with Willow peeling off, then Xander, leaving Buffy alone for a moment--that was nice.

The core four departed in reverse order of their introduction in WTTH: Buffy waking up from her slayer dreams, Xander on his skateboard running into Willow, and Giles in the library.

Yeah, I know it's utterly meaningless, and may not have been done on purpose, but with Joss you can never tell.


Katie M - May 21, 2003 12:58:39 pm PDT #1716 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

3, 2, 4, 1, 5, 6, 7. Six beating seven basically on the strength of OMWF.

Connie, as a woman who has never felt disempowered either, I though the premise lovely because, dammit, not all women are as pigheadedlucky as I've been, and it's just one of those moments that will always get me, no specific gender required, where from either inside or symbolically from outside, one finds the strength to do what one couldn't before.

It's funny - I never had any trouble identifying with and claiming the power of Slayerhood when it was just Buffy, or when it was Buffy and Faith. The montage of the Chosen Few made me think "I'm not one of those girls," though. Which was obviously not their intent.


Winnow - May 21, 2003 1:00:05 pm PDT #1717 of 10001
Don't make me come down there!

That's interesting billytea. I hadn't thought of it like that.


Fred Pete - May 21, 2003 1:02:02 pm PDT #1718 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

yeah, Buffy was using Spike in S6

Yeah, and vice versa. And on the catwalk at the Bronze, more vice than versa.


§ ita § - May 21, 2003 1:02:43 pm PDT #1719 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hmm. Katie, I never felt it was for me to claim any of the slayerhood. It was (and still is) other.

Now it's just other to fewer, and more power to them.

So to speak.


P.M. Marc - May 21, 2003 1:11:58 pm PDT #1720 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

May I tag? Or would it be too spoilery?

Sadly, I fear it would be too spoilery, else I'd say go for it with glee and gusto.

But I'm a bad judge of what's spoilery, because, well... spoiler ho.


Betsy HP - May 21, 2003 1:20:38 pm PDT #1721 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I figured all girls are Slayers. I asked my daughter (who has a mild speech problem) who she was going to Slay. She said "Taylor. He's a really mean kid, and he keeps saying 'Say owange. Say fouw.'"