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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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val c. - May 21, 2003 9:36:50 am PDT #1542 of 10001

I *loved* it that all the potential Slayers were activated. Somewhere, probably in Cleveland, a mugger is going to go after what he thinks is an easy mark and is going to get his ass kicked by an 87-year-old (who aged out in the late 1930's) in really cute orthopedic shoes.

And somewhere, probably also in Cleveland, there is a two-year-old Slayer. Horrors.


P.M. Marc - May 21, 2003 9:37:56 am PDT #1543 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

And somewhere, probably also in Cleveland, there is a two-year-old Slayer. Horrors.

Oh deena... what is Raptor Girl up to this morning?


Katie M - May 21, 2003 9:37:58 am PDT #1544 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

I dunno - I thought Willow won the Awful Outfit award for the episode. Though it's a shame she didn't get to wear one last bad hat. I guess Vi took that role.

My big overall regret for the *season* is Giles. He is to Season 7 what Aeryn Sun was to Season 4 of Farscape. Maybe they ran off together before their respective seasons started.

Okay, I'm totally on board with this concept.


Jim - May 21, 2003 9:38:27 am PDT #1545 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Ken - GBH was a 1991 UK series by Alan Bleasdale, starring Robert Lindsay, Lindsay Duncan and Michael Palin. It was about a left-wing Labour council leader in a Liverpoolesque city and his decline into madness. It was just one of those perfect short run TV shows, and I'd recommend it to anyone. It just sums up the '80s in Britain.

Oh, and they didn't have The Sex.


Vonnie K - May 21, 2003 9:39:03 am PDT #1546 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I, too, believe that Buffy and Spike had comfort sex on the eve of the battle, and I find myself feeling surprisingly OK with this, despite myriad objections I've harbored about their getting back together in any kind of physical sense. Because of the extraordinary circumstances they were in, and because of the subtle way it was implied. Just the long wordless look across the room, then quiet fade-out to black. I loved that.


candyb - May 21, 2003 9:39:15 am PDT #1547 of 10001

Okay - I think it's very funny (in a fun way) that Plei, candy and I all think there was most likely the sex, are all cool about it, and all dreaded it since the end of Seeing Red.

I wish Joss had written all B/S scenes from S6 til now. I would've been OK. The other writers just don't get it right IMO. I really think Joss is THE best writer of the relationship stuff. Not too schmoopy, they are more like real people and he makes it fit with the characters. I felt more emotional truth with B/S in Chosen than I ever have.

I am so grateful for that because my bitterness is vast.


amych - May 21, 2003 9:39:43 am PDT #1548 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

what is Raptor Girl up to this morning?

Dagnabbit, Plei! You stole my post!


§ ita § - May 21, 2003 9:41:59 am PDT #1549 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There was no sex. Stop it.

Yeah, I wish Joss had written the whole thing too.

Bastard.


Steph L. - May 21, 2003 9:41:59 am PDT #1550 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

In Spoilers, Hec said this on February 27:

Getting less and less happy with the image of Buffy and Spike kissing anywhere in the last episode.

Then Victor said:

Well,maybe if it's a kiss goodbye.

And Hec again:

Maybe if it's a kiss that leaves dust on her lips.


Wenda - May 21, 2003 9:42:29 am PDT #1551 of 10001
"I'm a mouse with a piece of string, Bear. The possibilities are endless." - Tutter

Cindy, when you eventually said that Buffy's attitude was let's see where this relationship goes (vis a vis Spike), I think that was key. If you believe she said/thought this, then no, she wasn't a user; she was someone closing out the past (Angel) and leaving herself open to where things were going with Spike in the future, though that didn't mean it was a definite commitment.

I just didn't believe she said/thought that. A lot of people believe Buffy just feels friendship-with-history for Spike. If you believe that, then Buffy is using him.

You don't snuggle with a person who's in love with you if you are not open to the possibility of exploring and returning those feelings the same way. If you do that, then you are a user, using someone's feelings for you to make yourself feel better.

If Buffy is open to the possibility of a romantic relationship with Spike when she snuggles with him--and for the sake of -my- BP I now think this-- then she is not a user.

I reserve the right to further clarify my thoughts. :)