Great commentary folks. I have only one ...... that the Buffy/Angel kiss appeared to me to be only one of old friends re-uniting. I didn't get anything really erotic from it. Loved the look on Spike's face at the end. That is all. Looking bitterlysweet forward to next week.

Ita, I think they should have killed Jack's daughter off last year instead of his wife, Kim is a huge pain in everyone's ass and her storylines suck. I think it's good, because it's tense, but I although i'd call it good, I wouldn't call it Better Than Buffy. Just cause...well...loyalty and all that.

Yes! And I said to a friend, "Python reference!" And then discovered that she's never seen Holy Grail and didn't get the joke. It was sad.

It *is* sad when good friends miss good movies.

Yes! And I said to a friend, "Python reference!" And then discovered that she's never seen Holy Grail and didn't get the joke. It was sad.

It *is* sad when good friends miss good movies.

Friends don't let friends miss Python.

I didn't get anything really erotic from it. Loved the look on Spike's face at the end. That is all. Looking bitterlysweet forward to next week.

I think that was the main reason for the kiss.

Yeah, I'm all kinds of ready for Kim Bauer to die.

In fact, a friend and I had a great dream!season where Kim died in the cougar trap, and every now and then, they could just flash back to her dead body, lying in the woods.

I hope it doesn't come as too much of a shock that I strongly disagree-that I think much of the season has been about showing Spike's rocky path to redemption

Yeah, but...show not called "Spike."

Show called "Buffy." About whom I feel I learned NOTHING this season.

But while I agree that "like" and "dislike" are completely and utterly subjective, and matters of personal taste, "show" and "tell" are much, much less so.

Asserting that is not the same as proving it.

They are actually sort of quantifiable, and this season, this ending arc in particular, is all about the telling, with almost no showing. If you like, that's fine. Just don't tell me I've been shown something when I haven't.

Well frankly, given your tone, I can only reply I'll tell you any damn thing I please (short of being kicked off by the Buffista PTB)-without, naturally, expecting you to agree.

For an excellent example of Good Television, watch the last few episodes of 24. Or the whole damn season. But definitely last night's episode. I was literally on the edge of my seat. The entire time.

I've been watching 24 all season because Joanne likes it. I think it is well acted, wonderfully directed, has a great central concept-and is basically entirely disposable junk food. I could never imagine wanting to see a single episode a second time. This season's Buffy episodes are over before I notice, while I find myself watching the 24 clock tick slowly away. 24 (imo) is to Buffy as The Terminator is to King Lear-there is certainly more action and "showing not telling" in the former, but for me that doesn't translate into more exciting or enjoyable.

As for speeches this season, a couple of them by Buffy fell flat for me, (but were redeemed by Andrew's making fun of them) but others (Spike in Beneath You, Xander in Potential to pick just two examples) are among the high points of the series-again, for me.

I don't expect those who disagree to change their minds. I'm not changing mine either-and I'm pretty sure I'm not entirely alone.

Another example of how subjective this all is-TV Guide rates the Buffy Big Bads, and the Mayor comes in next to last (only Adam was rated worse).

like" and "dislike" are completely and utterly subjective, and matters of personal taste, "show" and "tell" are much, much less so.

Asserting that is not the same as proving it.

Okay. When, in Shadow, Buffy was in a battle with a Thing and Spike threw her a knife but stayed out of the fight, that was showing.

When, in the episode where Riley left [Into The Woods], Xander made a big speech to Buffy about what a great guy Riley was, that was telling.

Care to refute either of those?

I'm not saying 24 is a better show then BtVS. I'm saying the last few 24s have been more enjoyable to watch, then Buffy has. The Tony/Michelle relationship has been very showy not telly. And each scene has increased the tension of the show just a little bit (with the exception of Kim who has been mercifully absent for most of the last bunch of episodes.) After the last episode I was really hoping that there'd be more than one episode left this season. After the last few Buffys, I honestly just can't wait for it to be over.

I have only one ...... that the Buffy/Angel kiss appeared to me to be only one of old friends re-uniting.

In that case, I seriously need some new old friends.