I loved it even more on rewatch (which I just did). But I'm not going tro argue with anyone who didn't-I'm only sorry everyone didn't get the Buffy ending they wanted (if it had to end)-as I did. But it was never possible that we were all going to be happy.

Micole - I totally agree with the whole why did they bother with throwing Buffy out of the house.

Really, what purpose did it serve?

I spent two years fighting this show.

I have no more interest in fighting anymore.

Buffy got out of town.

That's all I could have asked for her.

Buffy got out of town. She did it before, for the wrong reasons, and at the wrong times. But the impulse was pure.

Whatever happens now is her choice.

But it's not about that bloody town anymore.

Ginger- that would be right. the funny thing is, one of my great quotes from Faulkner is some callow journalist asking him why southern writers are the way they are, and Faulkner's grey haired whisky soaked answer was simply "we lost."

there's a firefly thing there, but not tonight.

Buffy lost. and in losing, won.

Buffy wins. and in winning, loses

that's what she does.

Buffy's my girl. because the outcome isn't the point.

that's what i'll never get over.

that's why i pretty much loved everyone tonight.

i'm thinking of joyce and buffy, on her birthday, with the cupcake candles of lame motherhood. in their white sweats. goodnight, sweetheart, goodnight.

"i'll just let it burn."

she was never going to win. she was always going to win.

define win.

buffy is dead. long live buffy.

why is Spike the one to make the ultimate heroic sacrifice of the episode?

Because if Buffy did, she'd be dead. No, really. I think Spike was as close to Buffy as she could stand to lose and come out feeling positive. Because they'd achieved closure. And somehow Spike made it seem inevitable.

Yeah, it didn't fix oddjob Giles, and other stuff. But it was nice.

Why did they throw out Buffy? Because this speech was a good speech, this plan was DIFFERENT. When she said what would make it different, I cheered. Because she'd learnt.

This is *Buffy the Vampire Slayer*, so why is Spike the one to make the ultimate heroic sacrifice of the episode?

... because if you don't think that tell us just about all we need to know about our girl Buffy, then you watched a different show to me.

Buffy was the why.

The how doesn't so much matter, does it?

edited for clarity

Elena-it was a way of making visible Buffy's inner state of aloneness. It demonstrated that her allies were following her conditionally--because *they* wanted to and that they could withdraw their loyalty any time they wanted. Kicking her out was a way of dramatizing her inner state (it always comes back to her being alone). It was "showing" rather than telling. Buffy lived the metaphor as fact.

I figure that all the Slayers and the gang will be heading to LA now. Because, think about it, no cars, no clothes, no jobs, no money, no food, no books (oh, the books, the poor books), no weapons beyond what they may have taken with them. They need funding.

Why is IE refusing to allow my whitefonts? Damn it....

I read all 600andsomeodd messages, so I'm a little late.

Loved it.

I have to clean house a bit, and I think I'm going to throw in some of my DVDs to keep me company. I'm going to be in a sad state when I have all the DVDs, watching them every Tuesday at 7, trying to relive the past 7 years.