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I'm so sorry, but if it makes you feel any better, my fun-time-Buffy party night involved watching a robot throw Spike through a window, so if you want to trade... no wait, I wouldn't give up that memory for anything.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'

Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.

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ted r - May 14, 2003 1:47:02 pm PDT #111 of 10001

"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

Both books look quite good-I'll probably alternate chapters between them.

The problem is not whether Spike should be allowed redemption; it's not whether there's a difference between Souled!Spike and Unsouled!Spike; it's not whether Spike should be allowed to win back Buffy's heart AR or no AR. The problem is that they've just had Spike come on the screen and say "I have a soul now, I am redeemed," and had Buffy go "okay." This is telling. Not Showing.

I hope it doesn't come as too much of a shock that I strongly disagree-that I think much of the season has been about showing Spike's rocky path to redemption (and Buffy's gradual acceptance of same), that imo it has done so both convincingly and often brilliantly (starting with the church seen in Beneath You, which I consider one of the ten greatest scenes in the entire series). And that last night showed that Spike's trials are not over yet-the FE is trying to use jealousy to undo what has been achieved-a final test of Spike's progress.

Dana - May 14, 2003 1:48:09 pm PDT #112 of 10001

I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Doesn't everyone love The Cutting Edge?

"Toe pick!"

Lyra Jane - May 14, 2003 1:49:40 pm PDT #113 of 10001

Up with the sun

Okay, about the auction?

I want this. Like, badly enough that I placed a bid. (There was a higher bid already in -- which is good for my budget, actually).

But one of Drusilla's dolls would be an AWESOME souvenir.

deborah grabien - May 14, 2003 1:52:52 pm PDT #114 of 10001

It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Plei, re Cutting Edge? I have only this to add:

"These are figure skates, pal."

She was able to recollect and toss him off, but it took a few seconds of clearing the physical pain, and another few of clearing the emotional shock before she was able to do that.

It's possible the choice of photographic angles killed it for me. The big overhead shot of Spike holding Buffy down - no. No and no and no. It was like they were pissing away their own canon.

Also, what I want to know is what spike said to the Big Glowy Eye Demon when he first arrived, not after he finished his trials.

Miss Vanna - May 14, 2003 1:57:04 pm PDT #115 of 10001

I 've been hands under the shirt, over the bra, Calvins in a wad on the front seat with some S7 Buffy spoilers - but we never went all the way ~tinaf

D.B. Sweeny in Cutting Edge...nummy treat...*drooling*

Okay, I'm better now. Holy frijolie! Buffy's outfit at that auction is going for over 3 grand? I'm in the wrong line of work...

Cindy - May 14, 2003 1:57:06 pm PDT #116 of 10001

Nobody

re: the spike thing, I have this memory of JM saying that they filmed it both ways -- him getting his soul and him getting his chip removed. Is this a false memory implanted by the monks or did anyone else read this interview?

smonster - the interview I saw didn't say that. I don't think they did film two endings, either. What I read was that JM filmed from Seeing Red through Grave (all but the last scene) without knowing what Spike was seeking, and he didn't want to know it. I think they were going to tell him (JM) and he wanted to act without knowing. That's why I lay some of the blame on acting, direction and writing. The "bitch" line was a bit too much, and "make me what I was" was clunky. Even if James refused to know the answer to the soul/chip puzzle, the director should also have tempered it some (not to take away all mystery, just to take away the need to fanwank to get to where they actually did want to take us). They're all getting spankings from me.

Glamcookie - May 14, 2003 1:57:46 pm PDT #117 of 10001

I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Even taking the attempted rape/redemption/etc. out of it, I think it's pretty lame to have Buffy fall for two vampires. I mean Angel was a special case. Spike? NSM.

Cindy - May 14, 2003 1:59:20 pm PDT #118 of 10001

Nobody

I think it's pretty lame to have Buffy fall for two vampires. I mean Angel was a special case. Spike? NSM.

I like it. I like the tie to her powers being rooted in darkness. I had hoped this year's origin of the slayer angle would touch on that a bit, but apparently it was more important to see the SiTs eat cereal and cookies.

smonster - May 14, 2003 1:59:32 pm PDT #119 of 10001

We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

She staked a vamp with this. IJS.

The truly truly spoilerphobic vergy on freakiness might want to avoid the auction b/c there are items listed as being from ep 22, season 7. They probably aren't anything significant, I'm just trying to be a good Buffista and look out for my pristine buddies.

smonster - May 14, 2003 2:03:22 pm PDT #120 of 10001

We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

smonster - the interview I saw didn't say that. I don't think they did film two endings, either. What I read was that JM filmed from Seeing Red through Grave (all but the last scene) without knowing what Spike was seeking, and he didn't want to know it.

This is quite possibly what I was thinking of. Pesky monks.

FWIW, I think it was sloppy misdirection too. I'm agreeing with you.

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