Hi Karl!

Vote booze! Choose booze!

yes, Beverly, you may.

so short of saying, let's all think and look at how the board works, there's not much to do.

I am going to be so bold as to suggest a time honored idea. If you (anyone) see someone being what you (anyone) consider to be pissy, but they aren't breaking any rules (insulting, offensive, spamming, harrassing), ignore them. Do not engage them. If they address something to you directly answer as briefly and as boring as possible. If they continue say you don't wish to discuss it with them. If they continue, I, for one would say that might be harrassment.

Another thing we could all do is teach ourselves to code.

I feel pretty much the same as Karl. I'm not sure I would have been witty enough to work monkey-grooming into my post.

no one here, I think, comes in here screaming at the moon until a Stompy walks by

This made me giggle. Now I'll have something to do on those late nights when the board is dead.

I had a big 'ol meara, but I think most of it really isn't relevant any more (or has at least been covered by other folks). I will join in the Scrappy is wise chorus.

A couple of things I'll keep in:

What is GO14?

But if you believe that you're not only right, but it's the right thing for the community then you should stick it out.

Okay, but sometimes the issue is less than dire and just isn't worth the energy. Other issues may be worth the effort. Everyone has to choose their own battles.

I'm gonna doblerize on the 'who the hell are you' approach and merely note that I was seriously pinged by that.

I don't post in this thread much for a variety of reasons. Sometimes my opinion has already been stated by someone else and sometimes the discussion has already hit the same points several times over. Mostly if I feel I have something constructive to add, I will. And often, if I feel my opinion will be less than constructive, I just keep quiet. In other words I use my best judgement, which I think is all that can be asked of anyone.

And now I'm running away, but only because I really need to get some work done.

GO14 refers to an old kerfuffle around the fact that 14 people had made 75% of the Bureaublahblah posts, or something like that. I think.

I'm not sure I would have been witty enough to work monkey-grooming into my post.

That was extremely clever, I have to agree.

I miss Karl.

I miss Karl, too.

But I have a shiny new tagline! ^

Thanks, msbelle.

You know, it is an absolute minimizing of the issues at hand to dismiss the points that a number of other long-term members have agreed with as simply 'personal annoynaces'.

Right. Like when someone says, "I won't stop doing it because I see that it's merely an annoyance to some but useful to others." I agree. That is minimizing a problem which is how I felt when Elena responded to my post in this manner. I felt like I was being minimized. But I was also okay with it because to me, announcements, no announcements. Fundamentally not a big deal. When Elena restarted them, I didn't feel compelled to post at all about it.

But when she questioned and minimized someone else's assertion that long term posters who are pressed for time (which I obviously am not anymore!!) read press for X, Y, or Z, I posted what I thought. I was an activist poster with no problem saying what my will is. If I hadn't, I would have felt minimized.

That's life. That's group dynamics. That's community. People can take what I have to say or igore it. And many times, it's ignored. And many times it isn't. If I had a $1 for each time I felt minimized that I could put my finger on, I could at least afford a new pair of fluevogs.

And, undoubtedly people feel minimized by me.

What do I plan on doing about it? Stop taking things so personally. I can't change the way anyone else responds to my wordsm though I do bear some responsibility for how a message is delivered and how it is received. I'm not particularly willing to say how other people feel is my sole responsiblity. But I can try to control my own actions. But when I feel minimized... I can control that reaction and what I do with it. So that's the resolution for me.

I'm not sure what the resolution will be for the rest of you. But continual reading of continual talk about it with accusations of "you're misidrecting! you're being snide!" is not actually getting me anywhere. I do agree with Robin that airing the laundry is a step.

But so is maintaining an island of sanity.