I miss Karl.

I miss Karl, too.

But I have a shiny new tagline! ^

Thanks, msbelle.

You know, it is an absolute minimizing of the issues at hand to dismiss the points that a number of other long-term members have agreed with as simply 'personal annoynaces'.

Right. Like when someone says, "I won't stop doing it because I see that it's merely an annoyance to some but useful to others." I agree. That is minimizing a problem which is how I felt when Elena responded to my post in this manner. I felt like I was being minimized. But I was also okay with it because to me, announcements, no announcements. Fundamentally not a big deal. When Elena restarted them, I didn't feel compelled to post at all about it.

But when she questioned and minimized someone else's assertion that long term posters who are pressed for time (which I obviously am not anymore!!) read press for X, Y, or Z, I posted what I thought. I was an activist poster with no problem saying what my will is. If I hadn't, I would have felt minimized.

That's life. That's group dynamics. That's community. People can take what I have to say or igore it. And many times, it's ignored. And many times it isn't. If I had a $1 for each time I felt minimized that I could put my finger on, I could at least afford a new pair of fluevogs.

And, undoubtedly people feel minimized by me.

What do I plan on doing about it? Stop taking things so personally. I can't change the way anyone else responds to my wordsm though I do bear some responsibility for how a message is delivered and how it is received. I'm not particularly willing to say how other people feel is my sole responsiblity. But I can try to control my own actions. But when I feel minimized... I can control that reaction and what I do with it. So that's the resolution for me.

I'm not sure what the resolution will be for the rest of you. But continual reading of continual talk about it with accusations of "you're misidrecting! you're being snide!" is not actually getting me anywhere. I do agree with Robin that airing the laundry is a step.

But so is maintaining an island of sanity.

From my perspective, this discussion has simply reinforced my impression that the vast majority of the posters here are genuinely good, kind people but that a very select few are...well, not.

Huh.

I also miss Karl. And Rob. And Knut.

Do you still see him Juliana? If so say Hi for me.

I don't. He moved to Chicago and disappeared into the wilds of his magazine (but he's doing very well).

t /natter

From my perspective, this discussion has simply reinforced my impression that the vast majority of the posters here are genuinely good, kind people but that a very select few are...well, not.

And from my perspective, this discussion has simply reinforced my impression that a very select few are wrong headed crackpots.

YWrongHeadedCrackpotMayVary.

This is a pretty great board. It still can't be all things to all people.

I miss Rob and Karl, too!!! Rob has been my computer savior so many times and has made me look like a genius to my cow-orkers. And Karl is sweet and kind and good.

Mostly I am with Betsy in that I do see a shift in tone, but I think it is general crankiness of the world rather than people who do not have good hearts. I sure am cranky lately.

I also want to share that the GO14 kerfluffle, while hurtful to me at the time, and the cause of much crying on my part, actually was a real learnng experience for me, a people pleaser. It was good to be abe to stick with my opinion, try to see all sides and yet still not please everyone. Because I can't.

And from my perspective, this discussion has simply reinforced my impression that a very select few are wrong headed crackpots.

Now see, THAT is funny. Because it's true.

From my perspective, of course.

And again, your list may vary.

ETA: or overlap.