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That seems to have worked! thanks Astarte

My pleasure.

Ahh, the dreaded right-hand threads where sour stomachs are fomented.

So, after watching Beej get the smackdown in Minearverse I would like to broach (to a chorus of groans, no doubt) the issue of newbie handling and indoctrination. I know she caused bristling and, as accurately noted in the rebuttals, crossed some cultural lines which are known but invisible.

Could we be a little gentler with the newbies, though? It takes a while to get the lay of the land, and her posts were not flamebaity or purposefully offensive, but shading towards lecture-speak. Which we're all familiar with. It was her second smackdown in a short period of time, and she apologized for the first one. I realize that the surest way to rile the board is being patronizing, but I don't think she intended offense.

While I agree that it helps to get to know the culture for a while before posting, we can probably afford to swallow our ire a bit, and more gently redirect folks.

Tone is subtle and I think the tone that we cultivate here (with much work) has a great deal to do with our community's longevity. It encourages interest and engagning talk, but is respectful and civil at the same time. Plus funny.

Even in a fraught political debate, though, I think we could rise above and make the effort to suggest how things could be better worded, instead of simply saying, in effect, shut yer yap until you've earned your stripes.

Otherwise, instead of being inclusive and welcoming new blood, we run the danger of being insular.

Well, I was going to post a few thoughts on the welcoming/bristling dichotomy, but David got in ahead of me and did it so gracefully, that Ima just gonna go, "What he said"

In all fairness, I don't read every thread, I read maybe four, and not in entirety. So someone could trip and fall in the guacamole in 14 threads and I wouldn't know.

And if someone got a few smackdowns in a day, well, that someone sure is stumbling a whole lot. Which, you know, is okay, too.

My back went up on the "quiz" and then in two subsequent posts.

I understand the guacamole trip, and have great sympathy. This just seemed to be on par with an episode of Three's Company where it was guac, salsa, and then the jello mold.

Which points to "not getting it" to me.

But I'm an elitist prick with the patience of a 3 year old after a cup of coffee, and I fully realize that, and so, gentle.

We're extraordinarily welcoming. This was an exception to the rule, and perhaps Beej was having a bad day.

I'll repeat to some extent what I said there. Unfotunately, when you're new, it's hard to distinguish individual posters and there is a little sense of borg-ness. Or, if you prefer, b.org-ness, in that we're all the same buffista. So, a few people didn't like what Beej had to say, and to her it felt like we were all coming down on her-- but I actually think the original responses were pretty typical for us. They were no worse than the rebukes made to Typo in the same thread and timeframe.

And Beej further confused the issue by claiming that she was getting different treatment for "snarking," which is false. I felt like Beej kind of overreacted to people telling her we don't like to be condescended to. But I also think we treated her a little condescendingly by assuming her tone was because she was new, and not simply something that many people would find a little rude coming from someone they don't know well.

I'm hundreds of posts behind in Tim's thread, and know absolutely nothing of the current kerfuffle, but I can say that I've noticed a tendancy to be more aggressive and less patient on the board, generally.

I admit I'm a conflict-avoider, and I just don't know any tactful way to say "Hey, you're new; it might be more helpful to proceed slowly."

And now someone will post and say that what I just said is a tactful statement, which is true. But then my fear is that it would be met with "Why? Am I doing something wrong?" And then I *really* can't find a tactful way to say "Uh....yeah. You've annoyed half the board in one day."

I got to both threads too late to really say anything useful in beej's defense, plus even after more than a year, I still feel like a newbie sometimes. In both cases, she was sharing information that was the sort of thing Buffistas would be interested in. Unfortunately, she prefaced them with "here's some political education for you" rather than a more Buffista-friendly "here's more data for the discussion." I kind of winced to quite so much of a pile-on.