Burrell, we're talking about it in the voting thread.
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Hil R. - Apr 14, 2003 10:19:29 pm PDT #67 of 10005
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
Allyson - Apr 14, 2003 10:21:52 pm PDT #68 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
It seems like you don't care much that you've offended other posters too.
Actually, I've apologized for it, several times. I'm at a loss to understand why you'd prefer to ignore that.
Steph L. - Apr 14, 2003 10:23:58 pm PDT #69 of 10005
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
Moreover, voicing agreement or disagreement is no more of a pile-on then the love fests that happen after people say they need support.
I couldn't agree more. Apparently we can gush love but only one person per Hairy Issue is allowed to voice dissent. That's not cool.
Burrell - Apr 14, 2003 10:30:00 pm PDT #70 of 10005
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
Burrell, we're talking about it in the voting thread.
So I discovered. But I am surprised that it jumped line. Weird, but okay.
Katie M - Apr 14, 2003 10:33:50 pm PDT #71 of 10005
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Actually, I've apologized for it, several times. I'm at a loss to understand why you'd prefer to ignore that.
I can't take it any more. I'm much better at resisting my urges to translate for people nowadays, but I give up.
Okay, consider the following scenario:
Person A to Person B: You're stupid because you're Hungarian!
Person C: I'm offended by you saying that. Apologize!
Person A: I'm sorry I offended you.
...time passes...
Person A: Yeah, that Hungarian thing? I totally meant that, and I said it trying to hurt Person B. I'm sorry that Person C got caught in the crossfire, but I still think I was right to say it.
So given that Person C was already upset by the original incident, does it make sense that they'd continue to be upset by you saying that you don't regret the behavior that upset them in the first place?
Katie M - Apr 14, 2003 10:34:37 pm PDT #72 of 10005
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Give up on resisting my impulses, that is, not give up on Allyson.
§ ita § - Apr 14, 2003 10:37:12 pm PDT #73 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm going to hazard a guess and say that you may want Allyson to regret she said what she said, but that you don't want her to lie to you, right?
Are you really insistent that she tells you an untruth every time it's brought up?
Or do you want to force her to change her mind?
bitterchick - Apr 14, 2003 10:41:11 pm PDT #74 of 10005
Yes but Katie, you're forgetting this part of the equation:
Persons D-ZZ: You know, Person A said that thing to Person B that was completely inappropriate. I'm still offended by that.
Allyson - Apr 14, 2003 10:42:51 pm PDT #75 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
So given that Person C was already upset by the original incident, does it make sense that they'd continue to be upset by you saying that you don't regret the behavior that upset them in the first place?
But, uh, I DONT regret it. I can apologize that my lack of regret hurts you, but it doesn't change the fact that I don't regret it. You seem to want me to change my feelings on the matter. They're not changing. It seems that I am supposed to pretend that I feel regret.
Also, it had been let go, long ago, and then readdressed. I explained my position, and you don't like it. It doesn't change my position, though.
I'm sorry that person C got was hurt by something that wasn't intended to hurt them. I am, for the billionth time, not sorry that I was mean to Zoe.
That bothers people. People want me to be sorry that it bothers them. I am sorry that you are bothered. I am not sorry about the thing that caused the bother, only that, you know, I want bother you again.
You're talking in abstracts, and I am discussing this one, specific situation.
P.M. Marc - Apr 14, 2003 10:44:02 pm PDT #76 of 10005
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Persons D-ZZ: You know, Person A said that thing to Person B that was completely inappropriate. I'm still offended by that.
Which, FWIW, bugs me worse than any freaking comments that may or may not have offended.
Of course, I wasn't offended in the first place. So sue me.