Weird love's better than no love.

Buffy ,'Dirty Girls'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Kat - Apr 14, 2003 10:18:38 pm PDT #65 of 10005
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Frankly, when I come in and express dissent (or agreement), whether I'm the first (rarely) or the fifteenth (usually), I reserve the right to stand by my word. Also, to stand by the changing of my mind. I'm not twelve, I'm not peer pressure's bitch.

I'm so with you on this one, ita. t deleted an unnecessary "Frankly" I find "pile-on" unnecessarily conflating and incendiary. Same thing with groupthink. And for that matter being called fascist (akin to a Nazi of course) and orwellian. When used, it makes me tune out the poster and really want to send a big giant raspberry their way.

Voicing agreement is no more of a pile-on than voicing disagreement (I've been on the fair end of a lot of disagreement of late). Moreover, voicing agreement or disagreement is no more of a pile-on then the love fests that happen after people say they need support.


Burrell - Apr 14, 2003 10:18:39 pm PDT #66 of 10005
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

t interruption

I can't quite skim through 360+ posts in B I, so I hope it's okay if I ask a couple questions here instead. Have we formalized the process of warning/suspension/banning? And if so, what is it?

t /interruption


Hil R. - Apr 14, 2003 10:19:29 pm PDT #67 of 10005
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Burrell, we're talking about it in the voting thread.


Allyson - Apr 14, 2003 10:21:52 pm PDT #68 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

It seems like you don't care much that you've offended other posters too.

Actually, I've apologized for it, several times. I'm at a loss to understand why you'd prefer to ignore that.


Steph L. - Apr 14, 2003 10:23:58 pm PDT #69 of 10005
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Moreover, voicing agreement or disagreement is no more of a pile-on then the love fests that happen after people say they need support.

I couldn't agree more. Apparently we can gush love but only one person per Hairy Issue is allowed to voice dissent. That's not cool.


Burrell - Apr 14, 2003 10:30:00 pm PDT #70 of 10005
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Burrell, we're talking about it in the voting thread.

So I discovered. But I am surprised that it jumped line. Weird, but okay.


Katie M - Apr 14, 2003 10:33:50 pm PDT #71 of 10005
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Actually, I've apologized for it, several times. I'm at a loss to understand why you'd prefer to ignore that.

I can't take it any more. I'm much better at resisting my urges to translate for people nowadays, but I give up.

Okay, consider the following scenario:

Person A to Person B: You're stupid because you're Hungarian!
Person C: I'm offended by you saying that. Apologize!
Person A: I'm sorry I offended you.

...time passes...

Person A: Yeah, that Hungarian thing? I totally meant that, and I said it trying to hurt Person B. I'm sorry that Person C got caught in the crossfire, but I still think I was right to say it.

So given that Person C was already upset by the original incident, does it make sense that they'd continue to be upset by you saying that you don't regret the behavior that upset them in the first place?


Katie M - Apr 14, 2003 10:34:37 pm PDT #72 of 10005
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Give up on resisting my impulses, that is, not give up on Allyson.


§ ita § - Apr 14, 2003 10:37:12 pm PDT #73 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm going to hazard a guess and say that you may want Allyson to regret she said what she said, but that you don't want her to lie to you, right?

Are you really insistent that she tells you an untruth every time it's brought up?

Or do you want to force her to change her mind?


bitterchick - Apr 14, 2003 10:41:11 pm PDT #74 of 10005

Yes but Katie, you're forgetting this part of the equation:

Persons D-ZZ: You know, Person A said that thing to Person B that was completely inappropriate. I'm still offended by that.