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Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Am-Chau Yarkona - Jul 22, 2003 12:45:35 am PDT #3185 of 10005
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

So far, yes, of UnAms just the Brits have Firefly (unless we have any South Afriacan Buffistas-- SciFi is also broadcasting Firefly there, I believe, if their website does not lie). I've made comments about the most recent episode ('Trash') in Spoilers, but without reading previous posts, because I don't want to be spoiled; Fay made hers in whitefont in the main Firefly thread.

Something concrete by way of policy would be kind of nice, please.


Jon B. - Jul 22, 2003 1:38:59 am PDT #3186 of 10005
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Here's the thing, the UnAms need some place to discuss Firefly without restriction, whatever we decide on this. Because when they're done with all of the episodes, if they're like the NAFDA posters, they're going to want to talk about all of the episodes.

Why wouldn't they be able to do that in the Spoiler thread? Once all eps have aired in the UK, the Spoiler Thread will be safe for them. The main thread would still be US-aired eps only.

Actually, I'd be fine with it being in the main thread, without whitefont.

If we do that, then they'll be no safe haven for USians who haven't obtained the unaired eps.

I've seen 'em. I have no personal stake in this. I'm just trying to come up with something that's most fair to the most people.


Cindy - Jul 22, 2003 1:50:38 am PDT #3187 of 10005
Nobody

Actually, I'd be fine with it being in the main thread, without whitefont.

If we do that, then they'll be no safe haven for USians who haven't obtained the unaired eps.

Perhaps the US/Canadians who haven't obtained the unaired eps could talk about Firefly in UnAm? (I don't know - I like the irony.) I just share amych's mindset that the purpose of NAFDA was to build a free discussion area for people in areas where eps had already aired.

I've seen 'em. I have no personal stake in this. I'm just trying to come up with something that's most fair to the most people.

I haven't seen them. I have no personal stake in it either, though, because I rarely discuss Firefly any longer. t heresy There weren't enough episodes (aired or un-) for me to feel like talking about it this long after the fact. t /heresy I realize the mileage of most other US/Canada Firefly fans will vary. I just feel like the UnAms are getting the short end of the stick, again, even though this time, they're getting episodes before NAFDA posters.

I won't continue to press it though, because it very much doesn't involve me. I just think it's the UnAmistas turn to own the FF thread.


Jon B. - Jul 22, 2003 2:12:41 am PDT #3188 of 10005
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I just feel like the UnAms are getting the short end of the stick, again, even though this time, they're getting episodes before NAFDA posters [....] I just think it's the UnAmistas turn to own the FF thread.

That's a fair point. I won't press it any more either. I think we need other voices here. Whatever we decide, we should decide soon -- today if possible -- so that the Brits can stop having to type with one hand over their eyes.


Sue - Jul 22, 2003 3:01:26 am PDT #3189 of 10005
hip deep in pie

It seems to me that most of the current discussion about Firefly is being driven by the veiwings in the UK. Also, I'm pretty sure most of the hardcore FF fans have seen the unaired eps already. (I haven't, but I've read the scripts.) So I'm for letting the UKers post in the main thread and leave the spoiler thread for the totally spoiled.

The one problem with a temporary ban in the spoiler thread is that is that I'm never sure what episode have aired in the UK or what episode goes with which title, so I'm sure I'd accidentally open up my big up my big spoiled mouth.

If there's one thing us spoiler whores hate, it's whitefont ;)

but the spoiler policy seems like it should put the emphasis on the "unaired" part, not the "US" part -- I'm guessing the US-y-ness of the rule is because it was written when everything was airing here first.

Well, the Atlantic Canadians have to wait a day.


DXMachina - Jul 22, 2003 3:38:32 am PDT #3190 of 10005
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Well, the Atlantic Canadians have to wait a day.

Well, not any more...


Jon B. - Jul 22, 2003 3:40:43 am PDT #3191 of 10005
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

The Atlantic Canadian problem was longer term. Hence, they were given their own thread. This situation is just temporary.

If we allow the Brit's schedule to drive the main thread, can we agree not to discuss "Objects in Space" in the main thread until it airs there in three weeks?


§ ita § - Jul 22, 2003 5:14:54 am PDT #3192 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Personally, I'm anti-un-US aired eps in the main thread.

It does leave a bunch of people homeless, doesn't it?


Am-Chau Yarkona - Jul 22, 2003 5:32:21 am PDT #3193 of 10005
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Whatever happens, it seems like some people are going to feel homeless for a while, at least. And that even after all the eps have aired, the Brits will want to discuss all the episodes, and that they'll have to do that in the spoiler thead. It would suit me best (and this is the course I'm following at the moment) if we moved Brit discussion to the spoiler thread, with a polite request not to spoil us (me) too badly until after 4th August, when the last unaired ep, 'Heart of Gold' is finally aired. We can then discuss 'Objects in Space' in the spoiler thread and/or the main thread, depending.

It's too short a time to require a whole new thread, but it's too long a time (and for those of us who are seeing the episodes for the first time, as a part of a whole which we're very excited, if a little bitter, about, a couple of weeks is a long time) to hold off discussion altogether.

I vote for discussion in the Spoiler thread, and ask people there to extend the same courtesy as has been given in the NAFDA thread. We may well end up moving most of the discussion back to the main thread, say when there are DVDs, and it's reasonable to feel that we're no longer spoiling Americans for the three episodes which weren't aired in the original, American run.


Cindy - Jul 22, 2003 5:44:08 am PDT #3194 of 10005
Nobody

Personally, I'm anti-un-US aired eps in the main thread.

It does leave a bunch of people homeless, doesn't it?

Although we were going to wait until August to make such changes, I'm going to make a motion (and it doesn't have to result in a vote - call it a suggestion if you like - I don't care if this is resolved by consensus or vote)...

How about we close the Buffy Spoilers Lite thread (because can be no more Buffy lite spoilers), and open a Firefly Over UK Thread. There will be no net change in the number of threads, so the anti-proliferationistas shouldn't be too bothered.

Once Firefly is out on DVD and everyone has had a chance to see all of the episodes as Joss intended, we can merge into one big happy Firefly thread.

Yeah, it may seem silly to open what will amount to a temporary thread. But is it sillier than displacing one discussion or another, or stifling one discussion to protect one group or another? It isn't to me. YSillyMV.