getting. too. bogged. down. in. bureaucracy.

Allyson, is that in general (and I agree) or in response to my suggestion? If you think my suggestion would make us even more bogged, let's take it off the table. It was proposed in order to de-bog, not bog us down further.

If we're not ready to move forward on the business we're waiting on, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't move forward on business that's ready to go.

Sean, thank you. I was thinking about something during your points last week, but didn't want to single you out, because you've been the least boggiest of anyone I can think of. I was thinking about how we're taking this voting thing too seriously.

Personally? I'm trying to remember, the spirit of this whole voting idea, was just to more accurately count who likes/dislikes what, and to make sure people were notified that a decision on issue X needed to be made. (This is personally why I voted against minimum vote totals, a higher majority, and a lot of stuff that passed, anyhow...)

I think we need to take it all less seriously, and if Allyson has an idea, is ready and has seconds, while Betsy has an idea, but is waiting for someone to list all the decisions that will fall under the grandfather clause, then Allyson (or anyone) ought to be able to go ahead with something that's already ready. Prior to voting, we've historically discussed more than one thing at a time in bureaucracy, and I hate to see a procedure make us nuts.

Seconding Allyson's proposal.

Thirding Allyson's proposal.

From the time of the official proposal, the process takes a week, so you would miss some of the discussion and some of the voting period, but not all of either.

thanks for clarifying, Jesse. The discussion may be the part I want to miss the most.

Sorry. I"ll go back and threadsuck; I made exactly the proposal I wanted in this thread. BRB.

[And it has seconds.]

Allyson, is that in general (and I agree) or in response to my suggestion?

In general. My job entails navigating a sea of bureaucracy so that the smartest physicists in the whole world wide can unlock the secrets of the universe without getting buried in paperwork.

If a light goes out in someone's office, 5 people need to be notified, paperwork is created and signed, and it takes 5 business days to get the damned thing changed.

And this thread can be worse, sometimes. This is supposed to be massaging my brain while I quietly gnash my teeth because a high up secretary can't sort an excel sheet, making me instead gather 12 signatures from people who are constantly in meetings so that some dude can present a paper at a conference for which he's already been approved to attend.

This sort of goes with the Who We Are, Who Do We Want to Be? discussion. My ish, perhaps.

Seconded.

I also don't see a big with discussing both proposals at the same time. If Allyson and Betsy want to have the discussion and vote combined I would like that.

I think I have all my secondsies.

I am very against discussing both at the same time. Let's run Betsy's, and then Allyson.

I'll go on a ballot with Betsy any day of the week and twice on Sundays, with a hunk of bread to slurp up the gravy goodness.