Wash: Well, I wash my hands of it. It's a hopeless case. I'll read a nice poem at the funeral. Something with imagery. Zoe: You could lock the door and keep the power-hungry maniac at bay. Wash: Oh, no, I'm starting to like this poetry idea now. Here lies my beloved Zoe, my autumn flower, somewhat less attractive now she's all corpsified and gross...

'Shindig'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


askye - Apr 22, 2003 12:06:46 pm PDT #1017 of 10005
Thrive to spite them

Typo, what do you mean by "ignore the rules in case of an emergancy"?

I've seen you use that a few times and I'm not clear what you mean.

I think you are using that when people have said that if Troll 1 goes to B'cracy and says "askye called me an ass" and DX says "you didn't work it out in thread, take it back there" and discounts any seconds Troll 1's friends may have made.

Are you saying DX is ignoring the rules when he doesn't count Troll 1's complaints and the seconds although they don't meet the requirements for making an official complaint?


kat perez - Apr 22, 2003 12:13:00 pm PDT #1018 of 10005
"We have trust issues." Mylar

In theory, yeah. In practice, it seems like the warning, suspension, and ban have all come very close together both times they've been used.

In both cases the suspension followed closely on the heels of the warning because the poster continued the agressive behavior he/she was warned about. In both cases, the banning followed hard on the heels of the suspension because the posters in question ignored the suspension and continued to post. (And mieskie chose to leave. He was not banned) If they'd waited the two months, they would have had the opportunitiy to come back and participate in the community.


DXMachina - Apr 22, 2003 12:16:46 pm PDT #1019 of 10005
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Typo, what do you mean by "ignore the rules in case of an emergancy"?

Askye, my take on it is that the stompies are to exercise common sense when they come across behavior that we didn't take into consideration when the rules and procedures were drawn up. I don't have a problem with that.


bon bon - Apr 22, 2003 12:17:59 pm PDT #1020 of 10005
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Typo, you're contradicting yourself. On the one hand, you're saying the stompies will be flexible enough not to abuse their new power. On the other hand, you're saying that in a very unlikely future event, we NEED a rule, because, I'm presuming, stompies can't be flexible in the future? This statement:

But this is a posting board not a government. We really can go on the basis that the stompies are not likely to abuse it (and indeed are much more likely to be reluctant to use it when they should) and if they ever do abuse it, well there are other boards.

Could just as well be applied against your argument that we need an ex ante rule.


justkim - Apr 22, 2003 12:18:25 pm PDT #1021 of 10005
Another social casualty...

As I understand the situation, mieskie was suspended, then banned when he continued to post as mmieskie, Michael, etc. When he returned as Schmoker/Ananthema, his identity was discovered and he chose to leave quietly for violating his banned status.

And I also do not think we will have to worry about a troll gang. A troll gang will have to learn our rules, and I think if they are coming here for the specific purpose of being a troll gang, they will themselves be warned/suspended/banned before it becomes an issue.

I find the Stompy clarification good for purposes of clarification and statement on record if needed.


Jon B. - Apr 22, 2003 12:19:19 pm PDT #1022 of 10005
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Typo dropped his objections. Can we please move on?


Cindy - Apr 22, 2003 12:22:16 pm PDT #1023 of 10005
Nobody

I second Jon B's emotion.


Burrell - Apr 22, 2003 12:22:16 pm PDT #1024 of 10005
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I thought that votes were supposed to end debate...


Lyra Jane - Apr 22, 2003 12:23:39 pm PDT #1025 of 10005
Up with the sun

Shawn, understood.

If no one else can see the possibility that we might someday want someone back after a ban, I'll drop this. I admit it is unlikely, given how unwilling we've been to even warn anyone.


askye - Apr 22, 2003 12:27:09 pm PDT #1026 of 10005
Thrive to spite them

I'm really not trying to be argumentative, I just wanted to make sure I understood what he was saying. I probably should have emailed him privately about it, I'm sorry.