Thank you for speaking now, Karl. And (although I missed it at the time -- wasn't ever in the SPN threads) I hate that that convo drove you off back then.

You know Karl, your instincts were correct there. It's messy--I know a lot of us sort of bristle, still, at some of the more puritanical aspects still present in a lot of feminist spaces and I know for me, that can be a blind spot when it comes to spotting this kind of thing--not just here, but elsewhere, offline. For whatever that's worth.

Damn it, I hate when my gut is right about people.

What Plei said.

With an addendum of I am sorry, you were right, and re-reading that part of the thread is nausea-inducing, in these circumstances.

Oh, Karl... ::sigh::

I really have nothing else other than I'm sorry you felt that way and also, that I thank you for your words of support. I feel as if I got off easy—he doesn't frighten me and even as I switched genres to something where he in theory had more pull than I, he still didn't frighten me. I don't know—maybe I'm just entirely too cynical.

I am, also, extremely pissed off.

Wow Karl.

Whew.

I feel doubly blind and stupid for not seeing it, and not recognizing it when someone else pointed it out. I'm sorry I didn't back you up that day, Karl. I'm sorry I was lax in expecting better behavior from someone who was a self-supporting and educated adult at that time, who was acting like an adolescent brat, and worse.

I love us all, and I regret my lack of awareness and support for any of you who were hurt or offended.

Yes to the proposal. (Further on fbook).

For the record, as a stompy, I'm totally good with acting unilaterally on bullshit consensus, but since y'all want to vote to codify it, that's fine. But personally, I have no issue with acting to remove a threat to the community. Our rules are set up to serve the community, not the other way 'round. That said, there doesn't seem to be a current issue actively here, at the moment. Should that change before our voting process exhausts itself, I will be happy to act at that time, and am totally willing to accept any ensuing flack that might cause.

In the event that the current procedural, uhh, process, should run into any roadblocks, I'm formally invoking the other here at this time. Polter-Cow, since there is no relevant thread in which to resolve things in-thread, and you've been referred to this thread, please consider this your official board warning. Consistent demon-like behavior has been detected, and it will not be tolerated here in our space. Invoking this in no way is meant to derail the current voting process; it should function as a corollary to that.

Was there an icon? I feel like there was an icon. I mean, thank goodness it's so long between events that necessitate this, but man.

I am not here very often anymore but will add that in the beginning, I read him annoyingly awkward and that dragged into either obtuse or willful incompentance to gather female attention.

I had not been aware that he made members feel so uncomfortable off IRL.

I passively watched his rise in the SFF writing community but had no idea how he was clawing his way into it. But I am not surprised.

That said, I am concensed for the sake and safety of the people in this space.