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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
aurelia - Oct 16, 2016 8:38:59 am PDT #9911 of 10289
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Steph L. - Oct 16, 2016 8:39:26 am PDT #9912 of 10289
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
I suspect that, as Laura says, it is a deeply rooted unconscious issue rather than outright malice, but that doesn't matter. The end result is the same.
Yes. I believe everyone who has shared that Sunil's behavior made them uncomfortable and unsafe, to the point where some people have left the board or drastically curtailed their involvement. The way he's interacted with me, here and on FB (I'm not active on Twitter), has never made me, personally, feel uncomfortable. But my own POV based on our interactions is absolutely NOT relevant when people have been hurt.
Sunil, if you read this: please do the work to do better, to BE better.
I'm fine with a consensus, and with waiting until tomorrow night to allow plenty of time for people to see this and weigh in.
-t - Oct 16, 2016 8:54:04 am PDT #9913 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
My only concern, but it's actually a big concern, with consensing to ban is that we are not following our established procedure and I think voting in this exceptional case is suitable. I volunteer to count votes.
This is not about punishing Polter-Cow or teaching him or anything to do with him, really, except his effect on the board. We need to protect our community, which has been damaged. I kinda feel like I just got told that that twinge in my knee that I thought was just a thing that happened when a storm was coming is actually a tumor. How could I not have noticed?
Except I know many habits and characteristics I have that would let me not notice. I'm so sorry.
Dana - Oct 16, 2016 9:02:34 am PDT #9914 of 10289
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
Okay, if we're going to follow the voting timeline, how long do we consider the proposal? 3 days? Are all of these details only in the cheesebutt document?
msbelle - Oct 16, 2016 9:02:51 am PDT #9915 of 10289
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
I thought it was said that banning is not listed as a voting issue. Is the issue that there was not other steps first.
Really either way (voting/consensus) I am fine. I am also good with this staying open through end of day Monday and if voting is the decision, I volunteer as tribute to take the votes.
Dana - Oct 16, 2016 9:04:40 am PDT #9916 of 10289
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
Yeah, we'd basically be voting to skip the three-strikes process and ban immediately.
Vortex - Oct 16, 2016 9:05:22 am PDT #9917 of 10289
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Let me be clear, I do not think that there is not an issue.
I am extremely ambivalent about these actions because, while I believe that P-C does not deserve to be part of our community, we are not following our own rules. I don't like the fact that it has been decided that a BS Consensus is sufficient to ban someone from the board. We have not banned anyone in a long time, and the last time I can recall (I believe it was StuntHusband), we were able to point to specific, recent examples of behaviour in-thread to support the decision, and he was given an opportunity to rehabilitate (which he didn't take well, but that's not the point).
I also think that an announcement needs to be made in Press about this discussion and proposal. I stumbled upon this because I'm subscribe to Voting. People should be given a chance to have their say.
Dana - Oct 16, 2016 9:06:29 am PDT #9918 of 10289
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
I'm sorry, I thought there had been a post in Press.
I'll post a revised proposal in a minute.
msbelle - Oct 16, 2016 9:08:45 am PDT #9919 of 10289
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
If there is not a link to the documents for procedures off the site, can we finally get that done. get the docs done up and made part of this site?
Dana - Oct 16, 2016 9:09:08 am PDT #9920 of 10289
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
Proposal: Ban Polter-Cow from the board immediately, without going through the usual three-strikes process, for a long-term pattern of harassment of board members.