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We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
I have two thoughts (That's all? Right now, yes)
The first is that maybe it would be helpful to have a page (maybe a wiki?) for "here's where we're discussing what, if you happen to be looking for it", with the possibility for multiple answers for a given show.
I do not know if it is a helpful, stupid, or ire-inducing idea, but what about de-coupling some of Boxed Set, and spinning off a magical realism thread, or something like that?
I agree with Scrappy. Nods. Sits next to. The whole 9 yards.
If it's hard to distinguish sff from not, I can't imagine the hullabaloo involved by splitting off magic realism.
As for a page listing...well, we don't have a page listing the vote results, and the cheesebutt page seems to have died--we've had good intentions before. And if people won't click over to the folder and read the slugs, why would they read this document, probably linked to on the same TV page.
I guess I don't see the problem with either asking or starting a discussion where you stand. Are we judging each other that harshly.
I'm just chiming in briefly to say again that I am in the camp that gets bummed out that all SFF goes immediately into BS because those are my favorite shows and I'm never caught up enough to go in to discuss them without spoilage (which really and truly does matter to me--I get that not everyone understands the issue, but I honestly take most of my TV joy from being surprised). However, I accepted a while back that I was in the minority and that BS is a wonderful place for its denizens, and I don't want to upset those folks--community goodwill is a lot more important to me than TV talk. I wish there were a way for BS to have a one-week whitefont policy or something since then I'd at least have a chance to participate, but I know a lot of you hate whitefont, so I suspect that wouldn't work. On the few occasions I have been caught up, I've really loved reading BS.
I'm not confused generally about what qualifies as SFF, FWIW. I assume that any show with a fantastic or sci-fi premise will end up there.
In terms of the other bucket threads, I don't mind that they move slowly, but I don't find that they're useful for me personally. The only TV-related conversations I follow regularly (albeit often as a lurker a few days late) are the single show threads and Leverage in Natter (I end up threadsucking for it since I'm never caught up in Natter).
whilst I'd agree that Cupid doesn't look at all like Science Fiction, I'd certainly say it falls within the SFF genre, if it's about an Ancient Greek god being made mortal and whacky highjinks ensuing.
I use "SF" for speculative fiction -- so I'm including fantasy in there. And yeah, as Jessica said, he believes he's Cupid. Having a nutty religion doesn't make the show SF.
Every fix suggested so far doesn't make the bright lines any brighter, so questions aren't going to go away.
Let a 3rd party define the genres. Let Futon Critic or IMDb or EW decide what's a drama and what's a comedy and what's SF.
No, I'm not expecting that'll go over. But it's simple and clear and nobody here has to interpret or define anything.
nobody here has to interpret or define anything.
Oh, what's the fun in that?
I guess I don't see the problem with either asking or starting a discussion where you stand. Are we judging each other that harshly.How many lurkers are there? I don't think it's a judging thing. Just a convenience thing.
Smallville, Due South, Farscape, Stargate, BSG, etcwhat shows are etc? The specific show threads, it's real easy to see what is where. Would it make the slugs too long to list the shows that are discussed where as they are added? That could then be "the list" that some of us are asking for?
EW.com calls Cupid a comedy and Kings a drama, for what that's worth...
I think an agreement of what would fit in Boxed set is necessary. I would have never put Kings, Pushing Daisies or Chuck in there.
I think PD totally belongs in Boxed Set, but as for the others a Network Drama thread would speak to that need nicely.
I think this speaks pretty clearly to one major fact: people are looking for reasons to get discussion out of Natter.
Sorry to nit pick, but since I'm quoted above I feel the need to clarify that I have no desire to shift tv talk out of Natter, I was just commenting that others seem to hence it comes up for discussion about twice a year or so. I also don't mind that shows like Kings or Chuck wind up in Boxed Set. I like Boxed Set, even though I don't watch everything discussed in there (like, um, Chuck, hence no idea he had a computer in his brain or whatev).
So far imdb allows for multiple genres, futoncritic doesn't have anything sff-like, and ew lists multiple genres too. So not ending many arguments.
Not that I think a third party is any better than us.
Having a nutty religion doesn't make the show SF.
If he is Cupid is it sff? It doesn't seem as much like having a religion when you're one of the deities.