What you did to me was unbelievable, Connor. But then I got stuck in a hell dimension by my girlfriend one time for a hundred years, so three months under the ocean actually gave me perspective. Kind of a M.C. Escher perspective, but I did get time to think.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


§ ita § - Apr 08, 2009 8:55:33 pm PDT #9015 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If everyone doesn't agree what's sff, then discussing that seems a lot more reasonable to me than repurposing the thread.


Consuela - Apr 08, 2009 9:01:52 pm PDT #9016 of 10289
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

then discussing that seems a lot more reasonable to me than repurposing the thread.

Word. If Cupid is good, and I end up wanting to talk about it, I'm screwed if it doesn't fit in Boxed Set. Which is fair, I guess, if everyone decides it's not a genre show.


§ ita § - Apr 08, 2009 9:07:46 pm PDT #9017 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You know what? Megan said she wouldn't have watched Leverage if it hadn't been discussed in Natter. Why was it discussed in Natter when it had a perfectly good home in the Cable Drama thread? Because people brought it up there. That's all it took. It was still discussed in Cable Drama, and by some of the same people.

But there's no rule saying any show can't be discussed in Natter, as long as proper spoiler-fonting is practiced.

As far as a genre thread goes, I can't see any good reason not to have it be home to all genre shows, and I don't see any reason for us not to discuss what is and what isn't genre. Keeping some shows formally out of it for reasons not yet articulated doesn't make sense to me.


-t - Apr 08, 2009 9:18:34 pm PDT #9018 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I only knew to watch Leverage because of the discussion in Cable Drama. And I'm grateful for it.


Theresa - Apr 09, 2009 2:05:03 am PDT #9019 of 10289
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

The only time I have ever caught up in Natter has been holidays or the start of a thread. If the discussion of a show was there, I would never see it. I'm good with that if I am the minority experience, but from Consuela's post, maybe I am not.

Natter, for me, has been Buffistas' daily experiences, or what is happening in lives, or a place to gather when something significant happens (Inauguration W&P). Even with my non day to day participation, I get benefit from Natter in that way.

For me it has been a good experience to have the separate threads to go when I wanted to see or discuss something about television specifically. I also like Boxed Set as a big sff bucket because I get my cross pollination of show discussion but if something is going on with me personally I can still run over to Natter and say, "hey guys look at this cool thing" without taking away from the show discussions. I understand it is going to be a different experience for others...so just putting a voice out there. Now I have to go to work, so I wont be able to see the discussion until this evening. Whoever invented work sucks!


tiggy - Apr 09, 2009 2:11:25 am PDT #9020 of 10289
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

what Austin said.


Theodosia - Apr 09, 2009 2:25:54 am PDT #9021 of 10289
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Of the non-Box Set threads listed, the only one I participate in is Comedy, because it fits my interests the most.

That said... I'm comfortable with the level of usage that megan posted, since it's clear that they are being used and if people want discussion, they know where to go.


le nubian - Apr 09, 2009 2:26:44 am PDT #9022 of 10289
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

yes, I'm likely to agree with Austin. I cannot keep up with Natter and it wasn't until the genre threads were created that I felt I could participate with any regularity in discussing tv with the peeps here.

Bottom line for me: I'm not particularly supportive of any proposal that would have things go back to where they were. I loved the Leverage discussions in Procedurals, for instance.


Theodosia - Apr 09, 2009 2:28:25 am PDT #9023 of 10289
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

(PS, le nubian, I really enjoy and appreciate your participation in the threads where we intersect!)


Fay - Apr 09, 2009 3:28:45 am PDT #9024 of 10289
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Again, I'm coming at this from the angle that I don't really want to be in Boxed Set on a regular basis and see what pops up there. I'd rather the default be Natter.

I'm with Austin. A hardly ever go into Natter - my main community thread is Bitches, and always has, and it's tricky enough keeping on top of that without trying to keep up with Natter too. It's great that you use Natter like that, and, sure, any subject can crop up there, but since TV-discussion EXPLICITLY isn't the purpose of that thread, I don't think it's fair to try to make it the default for such discussions.

Based on that, I would be inclined to close all of them. Although I could see an argument for keeping procedurals since it’s theme-based, and the case-of-the-week structure might mean a different tolerance for spoilers, as with the reality thread.

But...why? Is there a pressing need to cut back on the number of threads we have? Because the current arrangement works for me - I mean, okay, I don't really read the Comedy thread, but I read the others, and I know where to go to read about the shows I want to read about. It seems to work well.

I feel very defensive about the idea of repurposing Boxed Set. It seems pretty damn clear to me that it's for (slash-friendly) Genre Shows past and present. Frankly, I still miss the threads that got squished together to form Boxed Set, and I feel like that community is in danger of being further marginalised by your suggestion. Although I may be misunderstanding.

If we need to have a discussion about what constitutes Genre, then I guess we could do that, but I don't see it as needful, personally - I'm with ita on thinking that Genre includes Time Travel (and ghosts, and magical realism), and that it's pretty self-explanatory.