Hey, folks? Seems to me like a lot of this discussion is getting away from the current ballot, and into more general post-Zeo breakdown that might do better in bureau.
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amych - Apr 16, 2003 11:35:15 am PDT #875 of 10289
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
Kat - Apr 16, 2003 11:41:14 am PDT #876 of 10289
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
Edited to say, I"m moved a response to Jessica over to general bureaucracy.
Jon B. - Apr 16, 2003 12:22:10 pm PDT #877 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Currently, the steps are warn/suspend/ban. In the two cases we've had so far, banning followed very closely on the heels of suspension due to continued demonlike behavior. Because of this, I think we should change the steps to warn/warn/ban.
I don't understand why you want to change something that is working. I also don't think we should be giving people two free passes before action is taken.
Jessica - Apr 16, 2003 12:25:54 pm PDT #878 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I don't understand why you want to change something that is working.
I don't think suspension is working. Both of the people we've suspended have come back within minutes and gotten themselves banned for it.
I think a three-step system is good, but our current second step seems pretty useless.
Jesse - Apr 16, 2003 12:26:58 pm PDT #879 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
But theoretically there is a person who would calm down and see the error of their ways after lurking for a couple of months....or who would go away for two months and just never come back.
§ ita § - Apr 16, 2003 12:30:06 pm PDT #880 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Both of the people we've suspended have come back within minutes and gotten themselves banned for it.
Do you have the suspicion that it would have turned out any different if it had been warn/warn/suspend/ban?
I don't see how it would have.
bitterchick - Apr 16, 2003 12:33:16 pm PDT #881 of 10289
Do you have the suspicion that it would have turned out any different if it had been warn/warn/suspend/ban?
Oh I think it would have been worse. Prolonging the agony. On the other hand, maybe if we had two warnings, we could warn sooner? Not wait until we were literally at the end of our ropes to take that step because it wouldn't be so drastic. Plus people might fight less about warning if it wasn't one step away from suspension.
Jessica - Apr 16, 2003 12:36:37 pm PDT #882 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Do you have the suspicion that it would have turned out any different if it had been warn/warn/suspend/ban?
No no -- two warnings, then permanent ban was my suggestion. No suspension at all.
But if people disagree, I'm not going to push for it. It was just a thought.
Jon B. - Apr 16, 2003 12:36:46 pm PDT #883 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
I think a three-step system is good, but our current second step seems pretty useless.
I agree with bitterchick re: prolonging the agony. And I don't think it's fair to extrapolate how every potential suspendee will behave based on two experiences.
Jessica - Apr 16, 2003 12:38:04 pm PDT #884 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
On the other hand, maybe if we had two warnings, we could warn sooner? Not wait until we were literally at the end of our ropes to take that step because it wouldn't be so drastic. Plus people might fight less about warning if it's wasn't one step away from suspension.
That was in my head as well.