I like Liese's boilerplate, by the way. Very clear and straightforward.

Exactly -- what we're deciding here is not what happens after one (god I need a word that's not warning, nor complaint -- can I use "smack" for the moment?) smack, or two, or three. That's been decided.

Isn't what's being debated is how one is smacked?

bitterchick -- I think that it became quite quickly apparent that Z (c/w)ouldn't clarify, but since stuff was happening all over the place, it was a little confusing. If a poster goes off on us on their webpage, or somewhere else on the net, it's ..

I dunno. I think it was obvious that she was to be moved to suspension, and the banning was just as obvious, but quite by the book. Doesn't make it wrong, not at all.

Hmmm. Okay. Like:

If a poster goes off on us on their webpage, or somewhere else on the net, it's ..

None of our business. We don't like it, it's not cool but we can't use it against them as a reason why they shouldn't be here. But WX and PF aren't just "somewhere else on the net", they're part of the Buffista community. So I think a suspended poster posting there is doing the same thing as if s/he had come to the Phoenix, registered under a new name and posted. And we consider that a bannable offense, no?

bitterchick, I think if the poster in questions links to their webpage on one of our fora, as Z did in PF, it becomes fair game for complaint.

bc, I consider our space on WX pretty clearly ours, although we lack some of the control we have here.

PF? We have no teeth. It's like her standing across the street from our house spouting obscenities. We might be able to get her kicked off someone else's front lawn, if they see our side, but she's not on our property, although she's made it completely clear we can't have her back.

If a poster goes off on us on their webpage, or somewhere else on the net, it's ..

None of our business. We don't like it, it's not cool but we can't use it against them as a reason why they shouldn't be here.

Okay bitterchick. So if a Buffista threatens you somewhere else, because of incidents at a Buffista site, it's still cool beans to have them here? Interesting.

ita, you have email, which now that I've caught up here, is completely irrelevant. Sorry.

bitterchick, I think if the poster in questions links to their webpage on one of our fora, as Z did in PF, it becomes fair game for complaint.

Okay yes. If they link it here. But if I decide that I want to turn the front page of my LJ into "All Buffistas are FUCKOS" and don't mention it here, I don't think you can bring it here.

So if a Buffista threatens you somewhere else, because of incidents at a Buffista site, it's still cool beans to have them here?

Cindy, perhaps I am misreading your tone. Because it feels like you're being awfully flip to someone who has had this very thing happen to them. Not here but elsewhere on the net. Which I kind of thought you knew.

I don't take threats lightly. There's nothing quite like the joy of recieving an email detailing what someone would do to you if they ever got you in a dark alley. Or when posters actually go out into real life situations and do things like slash the top on your convertible. Fuck with your gas line. Slip notes under the door to your apartment. A threat is something completely different and not what I was talking about.

If they link it here. But if I decide that I want to turn the front page of my LJ into "All Buffistas are FUCKOS" and don't mention it here, I don't think you can bring it here.

Agreed, but what if (hypothetically) you have a link to your LJ in your profile? Is that enough indication that you wanted everyone to read your "FUCKO" message to be considered the same as posting here?

Personally, I'd like to only consider behavior here and in affiliated fora. If something is both disturbing and directly linked (e.g., "Here's what I really think of you guys" linked to the "All Buffistas are fuckos" LJ entry), I would say the link makes it functionally the same as posting it here. But I don't want anyone to get in trouble if they were trying to vent privately.

I think in the case of a physical threat, the person should be banned immediately, regardless of whether the threat is posted.

In Zoe's case, if she hadn't cross-posted what she said to PF, I wouldn't consider her comments threats. Threatening, maybe, but also too incoherent for me to get anything out of them other than she doesn't like us very much.