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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Wolfram - Apr 17, 2008 11:17:35 am PDT #8338 of 10289
Visilurking

Spoilage is what keeps me out of most mixed use threads, like Boxed Set, where I would otherwise enjoy BSG or Smallville discussion. So I can see why folks who are not up on S8 would forego game talk completely rather than share a thread with S8 discussion. I know that I would.


Miracleman - Apr 17, 2008 11:21:05 am PDT #8339 of 10289
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

brenda, I think I have to reiterate what P-C, CaBil, Sean and myself have said about the Other Media in re: spoilage. Even if we take advantage of whatever lull may happen, we run a greater risk of comics spoilage than we might want.


brenda m - Apr 17, 2008 11:24:02 am PDT #8340 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Fair enough. The spoilage issue came up while I was typing my earlier, so I wasn't really thinking on thoses lines yet.


Connie Neil - Apr 17, 2008 11:24:23 am PDT #8341 of 10289
brillig

To start this, these are solely my views. I make no statement that my interpretation of the board reflects reality.

A cacaphony of competing conversations on multiple topics may seem convivial and party-like and social to some, but it is not conducive to focused discussion on a specific topic. At even the most jolly of cocktail parties, if people want to talk about something more deeply, they move to one side.

Having other people then grab the focused discussers and yank them back into the main stew of generality smacks to me of "You're having fun over there that's not including us! That's anti-social! You must mingle!"

The anti-proliferationists' successful sociability is not the responsibility of people who want to have a focused conversation on a separate topic. The argument "Having multiple threads ruins the boards" lacks the add-on of "for me." Every proliferationist squabble always strikes me as someone observing a party and seeing fun occurring somewhere else and somehow feeling threatened.

It feels like various parties on the board are not comfortable unless all the activity is taking place in one location. The tight-knit village is not coming back. Trying to force everyone into a couple of rooms will not recreate the early days. It's just going to result in elbows in each others' tea cups and a too-high static-to-content ratio.

I accept that my position is in direct opposition to other people's position. I also believe my position is every bit as valid as theirs.


Amy - Apr 17, 2008 11:27:32 am PDT #8342 of 10289
Because books.

Every proliferationist squabble always strikes me as someone observing a party and seeing fun occurring somewhere else and somehow feeling threatened.

I get that it might be the way it strikes you, but speaking for myself only, that has nothing to do with why I think there should be less rather than more threads. At all.


Connie Neil - Apr 17, 2008 11:28:00 am PDT #8343 of 10289
brillig

I get that it might be the way it strikes you, but speaking for myself only, that has nothing to do with why I think there should be less rather than more threads. At all.

OK.


Fred Pete - Apr 17, 2008 11:34:30 am PDT #8344 of 10289
Ann, that's a ferret.

It sounds like one question is, "What do we want the Other Media thread to be?" There seem to be enough (and sufficiently devoted) gamers to deserve A Place. And gamers, especially RPGers, could easily take over any thread where they were welcome.

I'd be happy to reposition Other Media or vote for a new thread, whichever works. So far, I'm not seeing any overwhelming argument in favor of either option.


Miracleman - Apr 17, 2008 11:43:22 am PDT #8345 of 10289
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

I'd be happy to reposition Other Media or vote for a new thread, whichever works. So far, I'm not seeing any overwhelming argument in favor of either option.

How about: "God spoke to me and commanded I go forth and get a gaming thread created"?

No?

No, me either.

I think, once a gaming discussion REALLY got going in the Other Media thread (if it ever did) that it could rapidly overwhelm the thread.

I mean...one thing gamers LOVE to yammer about FOREVER is "old gaming war stories". I've found these are desperately interesting to gamers...but equally desperately BORING to non-gamers. I would not be at all surprised if the non-gamers subbed to OM were to rapidly feel peevish that they can't find their comics or whatever discussion amongst a bunch of "Dude, this one time I was GMing and there was this total assface playing a Ranger and he did the dumbest shit ever..."

Or digging their topic out of endless iterations of "X system has Z flaws" discussions.

I, personally, would like a gaming thread because I would love to discuss this sort of stuff with gamers associated with the most intelligent group of people I've run across: Buffistas. But I don't want that discussion to shove other people aside or never happen because the gamers are, for whatever reason, reticent to have these talks in the existing threads.

I think gamer talk with Buffistas would RAWK. I would like to see it happen more and I think a thread for it to happen IN would be Constructed Entirely of Awesome.


bon bon - Apr 17, 2008 12:35:29 pm PDT #8346 of 10289
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Every proliferationist squabble always strikes me as someone observing a party and seeing fun occurring somewhere else and somehow feeling threatened.

I think you've managed to ignore about five years and thousands of posts explaining why people feel the way they do about more threads, including one I made just minutes ago. Your explanation treads on the simply ad hominem.


Laga - Apr 17, 2008 1:05:35 pm PDT #8347 of 10289
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

sorry if you guys were waiting for me to chime in. That was a lot of reading!

It's true I have had difficulty starting up game-related chats in Other Media but I hadn't noticed it more than any other topic I might throw out in any other thread. Sometimes I get a discussion started, sometimes I wonder if everybody has me on ignore.

I don't think I've missed anyone else's game related talk in threads I frequent. Sometimes I want to comment but I can't seem to phrase it right. I might be sad a topic died out but have no confidence in my own ability to continue the conversation.

If there was a gamer thread I would post in it. I think that gamer talk belongs in Other Media because raise your hand if you want to talk about gaming and you're not already posting in Other Media. That said, I believe those who say Other Media is not friendly to game related chat.

On the other hand I wouldn't mind a food thread or even a wonderful-thing-my-kid-did-today thread for that matter so I do tend to side with the proliferationistas.