I get that it might be the way it strikes you, but speaking for myself only, that has nothing to do with why I think there should be less rather than more threads. At all.

OK.

It sounds like one question is, "What do we want the Other Media thread to be?" There seem to be enough (and sufficiently devoted) gamers to deserve A Place. And gamers, especially RPGers, could easily take over any thread where they were welcome.

I'd be happy to reposition Other Media or vote for a new thread, whichever works. So far, I'm not seeing any overwhelming argument in favor of either option.

I'd be happy to reposition Other Media or vote for a new thread, whichever works. So far, I'm not seeing any overwhelming argument in favor of either option.

How about: "God spoke to me and commanded I go forth and get a gaming thread created"?

No?

No, me either.

I think, once a gaming discussion REALLY got going in the Other Media thread (if it ever did) that it could rapidly overwhelm the thread.

I mean...one thing gamers LOVE to yammer about FOREVER is "old gaming war stories". I've found these are desperately interesting to gamers...but equally desperately BORING to non-gamers. I would not be at all surprised if the non-gamers subbed to OM were to rapidly feel peevish that they can't find their comics or whatever discussion amongst a bunch of "Dude, this one time I was GMing and there was this total assface playing a Ranger and he did the dumbest shit ever..."

Or digging their topic out of endless iterations of "X system has Z flaws" discussions.

I, personally, would like a gaming thread because I would love to discuss this sort of stuff with gamers associated with the most intelligent group of people I've run across: Buffistas. But I don't want that discussion to shove other people aside or never happen because the gamers are, for whatever reason, reticent to have these talks in the existing threads.

I think gamer talk with Buffistas would RAWK. I would like to see it happen more and I think a thread for it to happen IN would be Constructed Entirely of Awesome.

Every proliferationist squabble always strikes me as someone observing a party and seeing fun occurring somewhere else and somehow feeling threatened.

I think you've managed to ignore about five years and thousands of posts explaining why people feel the way they do about more threads, including one I made just minutes ago. Your explanation treads on the simply ad hominem.

sorry if you guys were waiting for me to chime in. That was a lot of reading!

It's true I have had difficulty starting up game-related chats in Other Media but I hadn't noticed it more than any other topic I might throw out in any other thread. Sometimes I get a discussion started, sometimes I wonder if everybody has me on ignore.

I don't think I've missed anyone else's game related talk in threads I frequent. Sometimes I want to comment but I can't seem to phrase it right. I might be sad a topic died out but have no confidence in my own ability to continue the conversation.

If there was a gamer thread I would post in it. I think that gamer talk belongs in Other Media because raise your hand if you want to talk about gaming and you're not already posting in Other Media. That said, I believe those who say Other Media is not friendly to game related chat.

On the other hand I wouldn't mind a food thread or even a wonderful-thing-my-kid-did-today thread for that matter so I do tend to side with the proliferationistas.

I think you've managed to ignore about five years and thousands of posts explaining why people feel the way they do about more threads, including one I made just minutes ago.

No, I haven't ignored anything. I just haven't said anything about how it all strikes me until now.

I would both vote for and post in a gaming thread. I'm running a D&D home game at the moment, play it in RPGA campaigns, play board games with Wallybee most nights, and host games nights on a fairly regular basis. And I would be willing to talk about it, should a thread be created.

Oh, and I'm not in Other Media. In answer to Laga's question.

See? See? Easy place to find billytea!

Also, what if gaming talk takes over the Other Media thread? Would we then get ejected to our own thread? Or no thread? Things like that have happened before, to bad results.

It... actually happened just recently, when Boxed Set got overwhelmed with Supernatural talk, and the latter was split off. And while I won't deny there were some hurt feelings in the middle there, it all worked out and I think everyone's happy now.

I guess, I'm just a little stumped: if there are any number of spaces where the discussion could take place, and it isn't happening there, then what grounds have we for creating a new space? Topics follow discussion, not the other way around. Get a bunch of gamers together, get them talking in Other Media, get them to overwhelm and annoy the usual denizens of Other Media, and then re-start this proposal.

Basically, my experience of thread creation has been that a thread created in advance of discussion has been wheel-spinny and nattery. Witness the entire first (WX) thread of Firefly, which was created at a time when any specific talk about Firefly was a spoiler. We sure didn't talk about Firefly! For 3000 posts! It was wasteful and pointless and led to some vaguely idiotic infighting.

Not repeating that experience is part of my reasoning for the whole "form follows function" anti-proliferation stance.

WX-FF was created when there wasn't anything to discuss. This proposal is people who feel that they have a lot to discuss, but don't feel they can do it in existing threads for a variety of reasons -- I think there's an important difference there.