One made the actual proposal, but not the in thread suggestion of one.

Also, outside of a mixed area, it's way harder to press-gang y'all into the Supernatural Zombie Army.

Seriously.

Huh. I didn't even know this was being a problem in boxed set but I'm a fan of single show threads and am finally working my way through Supernural so I'm in favor of this.

It was partly because SPN was so fervently discussed in Boxed Set that I finally checked it out. Well, and Alona Tal. But I think it should stay. I've really appreciated the links to skip past W&P, and beyond those, I don't think it takes up an abnormal amount of space. Eureka is taking up more space than SPN, at this point, and I can just skim past it. That's the nature of bucket threads.

As, I guess, one of the SPNers, I too am torn on the new thread idea.

Pro: I have often thought that my personal attitude of "SPN likes carrots, and I will tell that to anyone who will stand still long enough" is a little... enthusiastic for a bucket thread. I have often restrained myself from coming in and flailing all over at random times. If SPN had its own thread, I would definitely not feel reluctant.

Con: I got hooked into SPN in the first place because of the discussion in the bucket thread, so I like that we can talk about it where other people who don't watch the show may see and drink the Kool-aid have a spark of interest. And I've also had times where I've been frustrated by scrolling past chunks about shows I don't watch, as others have said, that's the nature of a bucket thread.

Another thought, which is really a separate idea: In the course of some discussion, the subject of which is now lost to me, someone had floated the idea of a thread dedicated to watch and posts, especially targeted to reruns rather than live broadcasts. That may be an option that some would want to consider. It would get the watch and post discussions out of the way, at least until the fall, and free up a little space for other discussion. (To me that feels a little too compartmentalized, and if we're trying to pull any of SPN out of Boxed then we should just pull it all out... but I thought I'd bring up the idea.)

There is part of me that likes the idea of an "all SPN, all the time" thread, because I think it would be easier to get into long, in-depth discussions about the show's mythology, characterization, etc.

On the other hand, I would not have started watching SPN if I had not been intrigued by the discussion I saw in-thread and decided to give it a try. Similarly, I would not have started watching Eureka, or BSG, and I wouldn't have known to check out Dresden Files when it started.

(Edit: Dude. What happened to post 6991?)

I'm with Anne. I think. Sort of. I am puzzled that people think SPN doesn't generate enough talk, but while I'd enjoy a dedicated thread for it, I'm happy with bucket threads. I also think it's a good thematic fit in Boxed Set. I'm a linear board girl at heart, so I'm happy to post about SPN anywhere, provided I don't have to use white font for current episodes.

I also feel kind of badly for Frank, right now. I'm just saying his name, because I feel passive-aggressive not saying it. He's one person, not 'people' and he didn't seem, to me, to be pushing anyone.

Frank asked a sincere question -- one I wondered about when I didn't watch SPN, and still wonder about now that I do, and not because I'm a YAY Threadista, or whatever that's about.

(Although Frank, I have to say (kindly) to you, that I was a little put off that you characterized the recent SPN conversation as squeeing and flailing, because we were actually having a semi-thoughtful conversation at the time. That said, I didn't feel like you were pushing us out.)

I've eyeballed the July posts in Boxed Set. I am probably somewhat off, because it's early, and the math -- she is not my thing. That said, here's a rough idea of what we've discussed in Boxed Set over the past couple of weeks:

340 Supernatural posts

170 Eureka posts

90 Dr. Who posts

15 Kindred: The Embraced posts

15 Should-We-Have-An-SPN-Thread posts

10 Painkiller Jane posts

20 to 30 miscellaneous posts

NOTE: If there was a conversation organizing a Watch & Post, I counted it toward that show's total. Also, all figures are approximate.

Someone might want to do a similar eyeball of a month where shows like SPN, BSG and the Stargates were all in first run. I don't know.

I definitely got the feeling that the Stargate(s) discussions in Boxed Set got shunted to the side, and starved because there was too much other stuff (SPN?) to find it and generate a connected conversation, FWIW. But then SG1 was finale-ing and not in a particularly noteworthy fashion IMHO.

I'd probably subscribe to an SPN thread if it was created. Back when I proposed the Heroes thread ( :: pets it fondly :: ), my other prominent candidate for a standalone thread was SPN. I suspect we wouldn't be proposing a Heroes thread now if history was reversed and SPN had been spun off at that point.

But, really, if the people who are discussing it (which includes me sometimes) aren't arguing in favor of a dedicated thread, then I don't see it as a need.

As the person who got this ball rolling inadvertantly, the above is the reason I was very reluctant to ask the question in the first place. That, and as someone else said, the idea of pushing people off to their own island, which was not my intention.

Although Frank, I have to say (kindly) to you, that I was a little put off that you characterized the recent SPN conversation as squeeing and flailing, because we were actually having a semi-thoughtful conversation at the time.

The timing was bad on my part, I'll admit, but it was a result of having used the skip link to get past the W&P and...finding more SPN discussion.

Who knows, I may end up converted yet. I've really liked the 3 episodes I've seen; it's just not a show I find particularly discussion-worthy yet - emphasis on the "I" statement.

To be completely honest, if this comes to vote (and if the people watching the show don't want the dedicated thread, than I think it shouldn't), I'm not sure I would vote for it at this point.

I have often thought that my personal attitude of "SPN likes carrots, and I will tell that to anyone who will stand still long enough" is a little... enthusiastic for a bucket thread.

I think it's the enthusiasm, not just the post count, that argues for a separate thread. I think that the enthusiasm level for the show can easily maintain a thread, much like the Firefly thread which is still going strong years after cancellation. Most of the shows in Boxed Set have limited seasons. Eureka generates a lot of posts while new episodes are on, but relatively little when they're not. Most of the other shows are similar. SPN seems to be active whether there are new episodes or not. It's not just that the watch & posts of new eps generate a lot of posts, it's that there are watch & posts of reruns and even watch & posts of DVD eps generating large numbers of posts. There is both flailing and long discussion. The people who like the show are super enthusiastic about it. Even Buffy didn't get a lot of W&Ps for reruns.

It does make it harder to follow the conversations on the other shows. There was a SPN DVD watch & post on 3/11, a night when there were also new episodes of both Dresden Files and BSG. There were 119 SPN posts on an episode that wasn't even airing, while the new Dresden had 20 posts and the new BSG had 15. That's a lot to wade through if you're not interested.

I don't think it's that SPN doesn't belong in Boxed Set, but rather that it's outgrown Boxed Set.