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'Out Of Gas'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Topic!Cindy - Apr 13, 2007 9:45:24 am PDT #6665 of 10289
What is even happening?

Jon and/or other stompies: I have to go out for a while -- possibly a couple of hours. I can't finalize the ballot now. Can you please give me time to do it when I get back? I'll post a second draft before I go, but I still have some changes to make.

I think it would give us better information -- asking people to vote on individual threads will tell us how many people are initially interested in each broad topic. I also think it will have a better chance of passing.

Thanks. Okay, I'm thinking about it. I'm hesitant, I guess, because to me, the whole point is to see what people will do, if they have new spaces to talk TV. I have never seen the point as establishing these threads for the long-term, or as piloting them for their own sake. That's why I didn't want to divide them any further (like into genre categories), and it's also why I don't want to dump any. They're pretty broad categories. Some may sink and some may swim in the experiment, and that's a good thing.

My personal opinion is that (for example) the non-fictional thread will end up showing us we don't have enough demand for either bucket or dedicated threads for shows of this type. But I am tired of us all working on hypothetical opinions. I'd love for us to just see what happens. I'm happy to see any of these threads fail or thrive. I just want to see what happens.

Would the categories as they now are keep any of you from voting for the proposal, even though you might not like all the categories?

Why vote on the whitefont for each thread? Is there a significant problem with having a single unified policy for the experimental threads?

Also, I agree that network and cable is an artificial distinction, and I don't think there's going to be a problem with the number of shows discussed. Some shows will rise to the top, some won't.

bon bon, I very much agree with the reasoning Liese and Jess gave to these questions. Also, where the white font is concerned, I just didn't really get much feedback on white font from people, past yay or nay. I don't know what would make the most sense, so I'm hoping this will tell us.


Jessica - Apr 13, 2007 9:54:35 am PDT #6666 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Oh, and count me as in favor of having a "don't care" option for the whitefont question, if not for all of them. (Because I don't care. Um, obviously.)


Topic!Cindy - Apr 13, 2007 9:55:16 am PDT #6667 of 10289
What is even happening?

Yikes. Didn't notice the number on this one, the first time around. Anyhow, a refined version of the proposal is up, here: Topic!Cindy "Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!" Apr 14, 2007 7:28:41 am PDT


Topic!Cindy - Apr 13, 2007 9:55:23 am PDT #6668 of 10289
What is even happening?

Laura - Apr 13, 2007 9:55:41 am PDT #6669 of 10289
Our wings are not tired.

Yay for the no preference vote!


Jon B. - Apr 13, 2007 10:02:07 am PDT #6670 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

The voting discussion doesn't close until tomorrow evening, Cindy, so there's no rush.

(four days of discussion, three days of voting)


bon bon - Apr 13, 2007 10:08:25 am PDT #6671 of 10289
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Comedy - I don't know that I see a need at all. Reality-wise, the only thing I think would need whitefont at all would be who's off, for shows that operate like that.

Ok, this is fine. If there's no need for different wf policies, voting will show that. As for the two drama threads, I guess the experiment will show whether their traffic is individually strong.

I did mean to thank Cindy for moving the process along since I don't think more discussion is going to turn over any new leaves.


Burrell - Apr 13, 2007 10:39:52 am PDT #6672 of 10289
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Is there any way to simplify the proposal? I find the convolutions are pushing me just beyond my bandwidth.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 13, 2007 10:42:40 am PDT #6673 of 10289
What is even happening?

Suggestions?


Burrell - Apr 13, 2007 11:00:51 am PDT #6674 of 10289
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I think the only way to simplify it is to determine the whitefont level, make it the same for all threads, and include that in the description. But I understand that you don't want to do that because you want everyone to feel empowered so every thread needs its own vote on whitefont.

Me? My brain says, "too many questions, make it all go away" and then it runs and hides under my amgydala.

So do you need to accommodate me? No. Change it if you wish, but you needn't change it on my account. If I want to vote, I'll reread the proposal enough times to figure out what it's saying.