but I'd be in favor of whatever procedural actions need to happen to allow more deliberation and greater consensus.

What would need to happen is that Cindy would need to withdraw her proposal, which would send discussion back to Bureau.

I'm not advocating that, just saying what would need to happen procedurally.

I'll glady withdraw it. I don't think there's going to be consensus, but I'll withdraw it and consense on anything I can, back out there. We've been doing this dance since 2003 or 2004. My feet are tired.

We aren't even a full day into lightbulbs on this. I don't understand the despair.

Despair?

I don't think we'll ever get a true consensus either. I see no point in withdrawing the proposal.

I also think April/May is a great time to test out some temporary threads, and don't understand why some people think it's bad timing.

Why do you want to withdraw the proposal?

I also think April/May is a great time to test out some temporary threads, and don't understand why some people think it's bad timing.

I was behind in Crazy and hadn't thought the pilot project thing all the way through yet, but my thinking was that some of the key shows that are/have been big convo generators are in hiatus or soon to be.

But then I realized that I'm still thinking of this as a board where I come to primarily discuss (and socialize with afficionados of) genre tv, and by that I mean somewhat sf, fantasy, historical shows and I understand that part of the current discussion is a desire of some folks to open up the acknowledged purposing of the board, the dreaded "not a general tv discussion forum" issue.

Sorry, not always this slow. I blame being work-busy, undercaffeinated and my parents. In that order.

Why do you want to withdraw the proposal?

So much of the conversation has been about what (in my head) seems like the next step after this one -- your post where you listed shows is one such example (the one with action/adventure titles, and unconventional procedural titles, etc.), as is Hec's post (which garnered some agreement in this thread):

I don't know if that's the best way to do it. I think the best option is to put up a "just right" sized bucket thread, black font and see if it works.

Now, I would love a just-right bucket, but (a) a lot of people seem to be anti-bucket, and (b) I don't know what shows would go in a right sized bucket and I don't actually think we'll know what shows work until people start talking about TV in the experimental threads.

There's lots of TV I talk about that I don't talk about here. I wanted to talk about it here, once upon a time, but I got used to not doing it. I have no idea how to do it here, or who else is interested at this point (beyond a handful of people).

To me, the point of the experiment (not the refining of this proposal here and now, but the actual experimental threads if we ever get that far) is to figure out which shows deserve their own threads, and which shows would fit in right side buckets, and which bucket categories interest the Buffistas. In other words, I don't want to hear that you, (or Drew, or Hec, or brenda, or I) think people will like talking about Bones.

Instead, I want to see people talk about TV, realize they're all grooving on Bones, and that Bones deserves a thread.

To me, the point of the experiment (not the refining of this proposal here and now, but the actual experimental threads if we ever get that far) is to figure out which shows deserve their own threads, and which shows would fit in right side buckets, and which bucket categories interest the Buffistas.

Okay, so what kind of experimental thread(s) do you think will give you that information?

Very much along the lines of what bon bon proposed in Bureau. -- I'm thinking along the lines of drama; comedy; and unscripted ("reality" shows and the like).

I think we could go one more step and break that into cable drama, network drama, comedy; and unscripted. I don't think I would want to refine ahead of time, any more than that (but am open to it). To my mind (right now, again, I'm open), the refining will come in June, after the threads are shut.

If people aren't buying into it though, it's okay. I'm just as happy (not despairing, actually happy) to abandon the proposal. It only has a shot of giving us information if people buy in, compromise, and realize this is a starting point (wrt things like white font, and the signal-to-noise ratio in such large categories), not the end game, and then use the threads. If everyone stays in Natter/wherever else, it's a waste of our four days, here.