Where are my peeps! C'mon, anti-proliferationistas! Blargh.

What ita said, pretty much. But consider my anti-proliferation flag waved.

I prefer my windmills tilted. But yeah, I know, guys. It's all cool, it's just funny to me.

C'mon, anti-proliferationistas!

I think that ship has sailed. With every new thread proposal, I personally get a little more weary of the debate.

So. Right! Now that we've played with the presentation over yonder. How do we feel in here? We've all had our say? Most people are shiny about new threads?

Mostly, I believe that new threads, particularly new show threads, continue to bring in a differing dynamic to us. This is fine. Growth and change is natural. But I think we should be aware of it, and when we do it, do so deliberately. We have continued to be a growing board, so I expect us to continue as such in the future. Every new show thread will bring in a new fandom, in whatever significant or insignificant measure.

We're tired of fighting proliferation? So be it. I'm perfectly happy to register my discontent via the voting system (which I registered discontent about). Won't be the first time I've voted in the minority.

How do we feel in here? We've all had our say?

If one is VM indifferent, there is really very little to say.

I find myself feeling a bit guilty about my "Sure, why not proliferate?" opinions. I'm still a baby, new to the party, so of course I don't feel as strongly about the sanctity of the board's roots as those of you who have put so much more of your time and effort into the creation of the community I've been kindly allowed to join (or at least lurk in).

I feel bad about the resigned sense of impending doom I get from Kristen and Liese and ita, the feeling that me and other children-on-your-lawn have come in and are slowly taking your flowers away from you, stealing them one by one and replanting your garden with rhododendrons when you love daisies.

In an ideal world, the fact that I care for Veronica Mars nearly as much as ever I did Buffy would lead me to create or find a community of Marsistas, a separate internet world that, while perhaps sharing some members with the Buffistas, would be otherwise unaffiliated. A caring, friendly, intelligent group of people who joined together to discuss Veronica Mars, but found themselves connecting on a level far more important, far more lovely. If this community could use software as beautiful and well-thought-out as Phoenix, so much the better.

Unfortunately, such things are hard to create from scratch. It took years for Buffistas to become what it is, and I can't help but think that there was some luck in the process. I think if you had intended it to happen from the beginning, something would have gone wrong somewhere - this type of place can only spring up organically.

So, yes, I would like to take advantage of what you've already done, springboard off your success at community building to provide a forum for intelligent Veronica Mars discussion that I don't have to search through hundreds of "OMG Veronica and Logan are so hott in this episode SQUEEEE!" posts to find and, more importantly, a forum where the people posting these thoughts are people I've gotten (or can get) to know personally, a little bit, through tales of cats, and hospitals, and muffaletta ingredients.

But I don't think I'll vote for it. I'll probably abstain. Whether this community is prepared to continue adding threads is, I think, not a decision for me to make, as a lurker (primarily) and newcomer. I'm too much in awe of what my precursors have made to do anything that they think might risk lessening its greatness.

I like more threads. I can home in on certain ones and actually stand a chance of keeping on on them.

I'm sort of with Gris, except I wouldn't want to a) find a Marsistas board, nor b) start from scratch with new people. I want to talk with the people here about stuff, including VM. But, where I agree is that I don't want to ruin anyone's garden. Besides, I have a hard enough time keeping up with the threads I already follow, so I really don't need another, even if it sounds fun. Because of these conflicted feelings, I will probably also abstain. I'm just totally kicking myself about my Lost vote last fall. I should have cast it for VM. 20/20 hindsight.

Won't be the first time I've voted in the minority.

I actually think the minority on this vote will be surprisingly large. I'm against a VM thread, and will vote so. Don't really care about the show, don't watch it, and continued comparisons and correlations between VM and Buffy don't seem to sway me much. Don't quite know what the hubbub is all about.

It seems to me the fundamental question is: What is the criteria for a separate thread to be created rather than have a show share Boxed Set?

Clearly at some point in the past this criteria was met for Buffy, Angel and Firefly. Is the criteria "spawned by Joss" or "the volume of posts [and how is this quantified?] regarding one particular show is drowning out all other discussion and thus needs its own thread"?

"To VM or not VM" is just a symptom of the problem. If this criteria can be determined, then the vote in question is academic.