my section of it is trying to turn things around, in part, by putting someone like me, a working professional, right in the middle of the red tape. That outta be fun.

No more Vice for you, little Mister!

I was really surprised today when I saw all the posts in B'cracy and Lighbulb and found out it was about the Universe and March.

Yesterday when Universe posted it took me about a minute to realize someone was being playful and it wasn't a lurker concidentally de lurking at that time. Same for March.

But then I've never had a problem with any of the playful puppets. I'm honestly baffled that people are hurt by this kind of thing. I understand the feeling that a playful puppet like this is done with some kind of malicious intent or to make fools of anyone who doesn't guess who the person behind the puppet is.

I was mainly observing, in an attempted humorous way, that we are all seeing first hand how big organizations end up with layer upon layer of red tape. I think if there was a good solution then we'd see fewer organizations with that amount of red tape.

I am pretty sure your brain would've exploded if you had been active during the original voting discussion. As it turns out, the first layer of red tape is the hardest.

I'm trying not to get all worked up here, but I really do genuinely believe that process and procedures help things work better. And just like everything else here, people can opt in or out of any level of participation they want to.

Man, I just wish everyone had taken Bureacracy and Democracy with me in college.

big fan of having stated policies and procedures. Bigger fan of people actually knowing and following them.

It's not at all that I'm against policies and procedures. I help plenty of organizations work them out and put them in place. I work with a number or arts organizations on budgeting seasons and how to run acting companies, etc. etc. It's always a delicate balance between the procedures and policies that will get you there and going too far.

Bigger fan of people actually knowing and following them.

This is the trick, it has to be simple enough that you can know and follow them. Take the tax code in the U.S. for example. That has now grown so complicated that you need a hired professional to even begin to understand them.

As a side note. I am compiling info on all the votes taken - FYI

the first three votes all had to deal with the voting procedure (to have voting, what constitutes a majority, the discussion thread- bringing something to a vote - voter turnout).

the fourth was about re-opening discussions, how long we should wait before allowing a new vote.

the fifth was about taking action against unacceptable behavior.

the sixth was about having restricted areas for registered users only.

the seventh was grandfathering in all decisions before voting.

the 8th, 10th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, & 17th were about adding threads (Minear, housecleaning, politics, unaired wonderfalls, bookclub, tv thread/housecleaning/Lost, combining Buffy & Angel)

the 9th and 16th were concerning spoilers and spoiler policy wrt to threads.

This is the 18th item that has been proposed and then discussed since 2/2003.

I'm trying not to get all worked up here, but I really do genuinely believe that process and procedures help things work better.

Me too. I don't think this board would have survived without them. It was a fuck of a lot of hard work to put them in place, but they do what they're supposed to do. I like consensus too, for that matter.

This is the 18th item that has been proposed and then discussed since 2/2003.

What was the 11th (being the only one you didn't mention), just out of curiosity?

shudders in remembrance of the 9th

oh sorry, the 11th was allowing posters to opt in to the American National Corpus.