big fan of having stated policies and procedures. Bigger fan of people actually knowing and following them.

It's not at all that I'm against policies and procedures. I help plenty of organizations work them out and put them in place. I work with a number or arts organizations on budgeting seasons and how to run acting companies, etc. etc. It's always a delicate balance between the procedures and policies that will get you there and going too far.

Bigger fan of people actually knowing and following them.

This is the trick, it has to be simple enough that you can know and follow them. Take the tax code in the U.S. for example. That has now grown so complicated that you need a hired professional to even begin to understand them.

As a side note. I am compiling info on all the votes taken - FYI

the first three votes all had to deal with the voting procedure (to have voting, what constitutes a majority, the discussion thread- bringing something to a vote - voter turnout).

the fourth was about re-opening discussions, how long we should wait before allowing a new vote.

the fifth was about taking action against unacceptable behavior.

the sixth was about having restricted areas for registered users only.

the seventh was grandfathering in all decisions before voting.

the 8th, 10th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, & 17th were about adding threads (Minear, housecleaning, politics, unaired wonderfalls, bookclub, tv thread/housecleaning/Lost, combining Buffy & Angel)

the 9th and 16th were concerning spoilers and spoiler policy wrt to threads.

This is the 18th item that has been proposed and then discussed since 2/2003.

I'm trying not to get all worked up here, but I really do genuinely believe that process and procedures help things work better.

Me too. I don't think this board would have survived without them. It was a fuck of a lot of hard work to put them in place, but they do what they're supposed to do. I like consensus too, for that matter.

This is the 18th item that has been proposed and then discussed since 2/2003.

What was the 11th (being the only one you didn't mention), just out of curiosity?

shudders in remembrance of the 9th

oh sorry, the 11th was allowing posters to opt in to the American National Corpus.

American National Corpus

Which reminds me of an utterly off topic things--do newbies (ie, folk new since then) know about this?

do newbies (ie, folk new since then) know about this?

I think I was already HERE for that one, but I neither remember it nor know what it is.

dunno since these things (votes) are tracked anywhere for reference (I'm working on it though).

People interested in the info can go look at posts # 1066, 1076, and 1090 in Press.

It was opt-in, so it's up to Erinaceous to let newbies know, if she needs more bodies.