Mal: Cut it out. Job's not done until we're back on Serenity. Zoe: Sorry, sir. Didn't mean to enjoy the moment.

'Ariel'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


JohnSweden - Apr 13, 2005 3:04:29 pm PDT #5317 of 10289
I can't even.

Now maybe you feel this particular suggested suppression is over the line, but just stating that it is a suppression is pretty pointless.

I do, and it isn't.

and in particular, I think this discussion is particularly redundant because of:

Consistent demon-like behavior may earn a warning from the Stompy Feet. If you don't listen to the warning, you will be suspended for two months. And if you come back unreformed, you will be banned.

Is sockpuppetry consistent demon-like behaviour? Clearly not. It is goofing around that is to some posters' tastes and not to others. If the sockpuppet conducts itself in a way that we would consider demon-like behaviour from any regular poster (and it is said regular poster, just wearing a funny hat), then the existing rules of the board can be brought to bear.


Jessica - Apr 13, 2005 3:06:44 pm PDT #5318 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Is sockpuppetry consistent demon-like behaviour? Clearly not.

Clearly not TO YOU. I happen to think it is, and have been saying so repeatedly for the last three hours. Neither of us is automatically right just because we say so.


NoiseDesign - Apr 13, 2005 3:09:29 pm PDT #5319 of 10289
Our wings are not tired

That's pretty much the rub. Someone is going to walk away from this pretty unhappy. I see the sockpuppets as pretty damn funny at times. To the point that some of the Clovis interchanges have really made my day. However, others see it as demon-like behavoiur bad enough for a two month ban from the board. I don't see a lot of middle ground between these two camps.


§ ita § - Apr 13, 2005 3:09:39 pm PDT #5320 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There has never been freedom of expression 'here'. Also, there are no rights - just a bunch of bytes, packets and compromises.

I'm pretty sure there's at least 1 person who cares more about the loss of a dedicated Angel thread than the whole sockpuppet convo.


JohnSweden - Apr 13, 2005 3:11:47 pm PDT #5321 of 10289
I can't even.

Clearly not TO YOU. I happen to think it is, and have been saying so repeatedly for the last three hours. Neither of us is automatically right just because we say so.

Well, by the rules of the board, it A) isn't consistent, because it isn't even the same people doing it and 2) until the board legislates against it, or it contravenes the "demon-like" behaviour definition in a way that supercedes "annoys *me* some", in the area of personal attacks and other activity that gets people banned, then it isn't either consistent or demon-like.

We have the Blocking tool. We have a Stompy banning mechanism. How much more censorship do we want? Gus may be working on a topic filter for my personal enjoyment even as we type, but it may have a few wrinkles.


Deena - Apr 13, 2005 3:13:14 pm PDT #5322 of 10289
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

I liked the FLO and Clovis because I had a frame of reference for them. Though I don't know who they are, I relate them to Jilli and Victor, and that makes them easier to accept. I didn't like the God name, nor March, nor the bad guy in Sang Sacre, because I didn't know who they were when they started posting. Using March as an example, Trudy has a lot of social capital with me, March has none. Finding out that March was Trudy after the fact bothered me since I had built up some negative feeling for creepy-stalker-March-person (obviously I didn't get the joke, but I don't like March either).

I would be satisfied with a disclaimer in the profile. I think that would be a reasonable compromise and make it easier to scroll past if I wasn't enjoying the conversation. I think a disclaimer in the tag line would spoil the joke, but knowing who is speaking by clicking on the profile allows me to connect my warm feelings for the real person with the non-real person and still maintain the illusion if I choose.

Bleagh. I feel so much more articulate in my head.


juliana - Apr 13, 2005 3:13:58 pm PDT #5323 of 10289
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Gus may be working on a topic filter for my personal enjoyment even as we type, but it may have a few wrinkles.

The drunken data-squatters are being difficult and your ISP goes all were-monkey once a month.


Hil R. - Apr 13, 2005 3:13:59 pm PDT #5324 of 10289
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I (mostly) don't mind sockpuppets when it's just for a few posts and when it's in the stream of the conversation (like, I think the ferrets started as a "we've taken over Victor's keyboard" thing during a conversation about his ferrets.) And yeah, some of them have been pretty funny.

I've got a bit more of a problem when it's an ongoing thing, and I absolutely have a problem with any sort of coy "guess who I am" thing. I also, and I'm not sure I can express this well, don't like when the point of the sockpuppet's jokes is actually an injoke with the puppeteer and another poster. When the puppet is making jokes within the puppet persona, sure, sometimes funny. When the puppet is more of a mask than a puppet, where getting the jokes depends on knowing who's behind the mask, then I get a lot more bothered.

I don't think I like making it a rule, though.


DavidS - Apr 13, 2005 3:14:00 pm PDT #5325 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It doesn't seem like an issue of expression to me, but one of citizenship. Who you are on this board is your passport and your currency. What you say and how it's attached to your name are central to whatever existence you have here. That's not about legislating humor. It's about something integral to how the board works.


Trudy Booth - Apr 13, 2005 3:17:21 pm PDT #5326 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

It doesn't seem like an issue of expression to me, but one of citizenship. Who you are on this board is your passport and your currency. What you say and how it's attached to your name are central to whatever existence you have here. That's not about legislating humor. It's about something integral to how the board works

Owning up in tag or profile addresses that nicely.