As the original proposer and someone who is going to be offline for quite awhile today, I like what either Cindy orJesse or Nutty have to say W/R/T new proposal.

And strangely, even though I was the proposer, I am unemotional about this and not feeling like everyone is picking on me-- so I am happy!

Sure thing. Cindy's thing's fine.

Jon, I had stated my reasons before. My reasons haven't changed.

Please don't assume that you need to ask me every time why I dislike it, because I've already stated my reasons for not wanting it. I not like someone being at a party saying they're against it, it's more like knowing someone dislikes, say, monkeys. Explained once that monkeys ate her villiage, and that no, bringing in a monkey just this once is not okay, because there's a fear that once you allow one monkey, a whole slew of monkeys will come in, and there's a serious fear of monkey overrun.

You can keep asking about the monkey, but you'll get the same response.

Excelsior to the voting.

So I'm not sure why the default seems to be dropping it.

Because if an act will offend people, it's better not to do it. It's like playing the radio at work -- you may personally love it, but if your cube mates can't think, out it goes. It's not terribly fair, but it does seem to be conventional.

Yes to Cindy's ballot. Yay for Cindy, who puts the "Oh, me!" in foamy.

I'm much foamier without my cranky pants, don't you think, Gus? poses

I don't prefer my suggestion over Nutty's, or vice versa. They accomplish the same things. For me, however Sophia decides to word it is good, because she's the woman that made the proposal that garnered the seconds, and this is her ballot to fly.

Sophia, if you use parts of mine, I do suggest changing question two's wording to what I suggested to Jon B in this post: Cindy "Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!" Mar 25, 2003 9:33:16 am EST

I only suggest this, because then that survey will give us a much clearer picture of what is wanted by the Buffistas -- that is, those Buffistas who do care, and will vote, but can't bring themselves to Bureaucracy or Lightbulb. I'm not married to this, either though.

So I'm not sure why the default seems to be dropping it.

Brenda, my thinking was to be avoidant of the thing that causes the screaming capital letters. Which is to say, I err on the side of caution and/or inertial lack of change to our current system. Which, on the whole, I would call a Buffista thing to do. That, and agonizing about it.

So. One for the Nutty rewrite, most of the rest for Cindy #492 -- have we consensed? Is anyone incensed? Have we a ballot?

(If we do, say Yay!)

Brenda, my thinking was to be avoidant of the thing that causes the screaming capital letters. Which is to say, I err on the side of caution and/or inertial lack of change to our current system.

Ditto.

Just to reaffirm in a post with fewer words - let's let Sophia decide how to word the ballot, and not get into crafting the proposal by committee any further.

She proposed something. She's gotten feedback. Let us let her edit and make the final draft. Then we have no more frustration by committee.

An aside: You know I flubbed committee in a spelling bee in the third grade, and have always remembered it every time I've written committee since then *cough*27 or 28 years ago*cough*

I think I have just been flashed by Cindy. It's my new religion.

I have about ten minutes to spend here, but it seems like we can't do anything until Jon makes a new ballot.

Question for Nutty:

If 3 or 4 wins do we take another vote?