I'm getting a sense that we're trying to please the most people with one thread. Jon and I (and I don't know how many others) are not going to use a Lite thread that has hard core spoilers in white font. Part of the charm of Lite was that TV guide type spoilers were whitefonted, as were some casting spoilers, making it "safe" to read the whitefont even if a little dangerous. But if someone put a hard core nugget under there, he/she was quickly told to remove it to spoilers.

So I'm happy to vote for a spoiler whitefont thread if there's a demand for it, but I'd rather it wasn't called a Lite thread. Because it seems to me that the thread is really directed to people who want to to be totally spoiled for some shows and not others, and not for people who are just looking to discuss Lite spoilers. And I'd rather the Lite thread issue went unvoted on and unmoratoriumed, than repurposed, moratoriumed and, in my opinion, rendered useless.

I'm not going to vote for it, whatever it's called, not just because I wouldn't use it, but because I think it's bad form to have the same information posted in two different places (one whitefonted, one not). It doesn't feel right to me.

You know, I'm willing to put the Lite issue to a vote with wording of your choosing if you feel strongly you'd like to see a Lite (as we recall Lite from months/years ago) thread.

Jon and I (and I don't know how many others) are not going to use a Lite thread that has hard core spoilers in white font.

Part of the charm of Lite was that TV guide type spoilers were whitefonted, as were some casting spoilers, making it "safe" to read the whitefont even if a little dangerous.

Thanks for these, Wolfram. I wasn't sure how firm the first issue was, and I didn't realize that there was whitefonting of that nature. That clears up my vision of what Lite is/was intended to be, and I'm a lot clearer on where your objections are coming from.

Are we attempting too much in trying to combine non-mixy things?

Le Nub - first of all, thanks for taking one for the team. I've been there, so I know it isn't nearly as much fun as it looks.

You know, I'm willing to put the Lite issue to a vote with wording of your choosing if you feel strongly you'd like to see a Lite (as we recall Lite from months/years ago) thread.

I'd suggest Deena's earlier recommendation:

Defining the light spoiler thread to be added, if it passes, as guest stars, episode titles, authors, and preview speculation in regular font, with exiting cast, tv guide and other entertainment articles and their discussion white-fonted. This would be a general thread, like the general spoilers thread.

Defining the light spoiler thread to be added, if it passes, as guest stars, episode titles, authors, and preview speculation in regular font, with exiting cast, tv guide and other entertainment articles and their discussion white-fonted. This would be a general thread, like the general spoilers thread.

I would vote for that, even though I probably wouldn't much use it. I think the discussion of where whitefonted spoiler material goes or doesn't go should be tabled for more discussion at this point, or at least separated from the Lite conversation. I'd like to hash it out more fully since it seems like a really separate issue at this point.

Are we attempting too much in trying to combine non-mixy things?

I think so. And I'm totally sympathetic to the needs of the whitefont spoiler crew. And I also see why it seems redundant to have hard core spoilers in plain view in one thread and whitefonted in another thread. And three general spoilers threads may be a bit much. And I don't know if there is a way to make everyone happy. And you can never use too many ands.

Sorry for the skimming, but am I correct that there seem to be 3 types of spoilage threads being discussed?

Ho Heaven - All the spoils and discussion in the open with no whitefont.

Whitefont World - Users can pick and choose their personal level of spoilage utilizing clear labels. All spoils allowed with proper warning and spoiler font.

Lite Land – Refuge where there is no risk of plot spoilage. For discussion of casting changes and low level general spoils and speculation.

While I have no personal fear of thread proliferation it does seem (to me) that 3 spoiler threads are too many. Personally I can see WW and LL being combined, but I am sympathetic to those who fear irreversible spoilage that can result from a font error.

There have been times when I was spoiled against my will, but fortunately never here. It has been from the grocery store line, CNN, or friends who thought I would want to be in the know. I don’t know how to make the threads all things to all people, but I suspect that most users will deal with whatever is decided.

I like Laura's taxonomy.

Also? I like Laura. Hi Laura!

How would people feel about the type of thing in Laura's Lite Land appearing, white fonted, in the main Lost thread or in Natter for other shows?