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Dude, the new post-munging stuff blew away my translation. whatthe?!

That sums it up pretty well. And I think Deena means preview speculation which takes into account other spoiler lite non-whitefonted info.

Yes. Thank you.

It's really two separate proposals.

It's two separate votes, but I don't know if it has to be on separate proposals? LJ proposed opening various threads, and closing others on her ballot, and there were no objections.

That sums it up pretty well.

How does that account for the Lilah/Lindsey return discrepancy? How sensitive are the usual suspects?

Basically we're here to recreate the past, aren't we? It doesn't seem like anything new is getting any support. This makes me sad. I wasn't part of either community, and maybe if I were I'd be attached to the way they worked and the benefits they provided.

I'm not understanding what would make you happy, ita. Could you rephrase it for me?

I know you've explained it, but it's been a rough day.

It's two separate votes, but I don't know if it has to be on separate proposals? LJ proposed opening various threads, and closing others on her ballot, and there were no objections.

Two separate proposals, not two separate Proposals. Meaning, two paragraphs on the same ballot. I'm sorry if I confused you.

How does that account for the Lilah/Lindsey return discrepancy? How sensitive are the usual suspects.

Some guest stars are going to have significantly more spoiler potential than others. Deena's definition is a guide. The community is quick to jump in and say, hey, that casting spoiler is disproportionately spoilery and I think it should be whitefonted.

Dude, my thread can't co-exist with the current spoilers thread, if that changes as it seems it will.

No, it can't. But I still don't understand why, since we do have white-font, it can't exist in the proposed spoiler thread we don't quite want to call "lite" but haven't yet come up with a better term for.

So then what's the difference between Spoilers and SpoilersLite? The latter is white-fonted and the former isn't? That seems wasteful to me.

The difference would be user-based, I think. It's the difference between going whole hog, and picking and choosing the kind of spoils, for which shows, you want to discuss. I understand what you mean about it being wasteful, except we're looking at a proposal for two threads, anyhow. It seems to me white font allows for both traditional lite-spoilers, and for more serious spoilers, but labeled and in white font.

If there are going to be two threads, then why not have one be hardcore, for all shows, no white font, no warning, heavy spoilage? Why not have the second for those posters who exert more caution in spoiling. They might want white font for various reasons (don't want to know casting surprises, writers, plots; or only want to spoil for certain aspects of certain shows), but because of white font, everyone is covered. You just label your white font with terms like "OC Casting" or "Lost plot" and then the ensuing white fonted spoilerific goodies.

I think the main question is would it get in there at all. Personally, I know I'm way too lazy to be posting spoilers once in the main thread and then again in Lite, whitefonted.

Well, if people want it, it will. I'm with you. I'm too lazy, too worried I'll spoil wrong, and will probably not use the lite thread, because I prefer the no-white-font way. But it sounds like people do want it. Some people like the way the Spoilers 3 thread is, right now. Some people miss the traditional Spoilers Lite. It seems like white font would allow for combining the two.

Do you mean what thread I want? Nothing that's going to be considered, so it's really not important. I would have liked a thread where any spoiler for any show and detailed discussion thereof was allowed, all whitefonted. But it's not going to happen -- I get that.

What I'm discussing mostly now is how to clearly define what constitutes okay for a proposed lite thread other than - we know it when we see it, because we knew it when we saw it.

It's the analytic in me. I can't vote for a fuzzy proposal, since I don't know what I'm voting for. I plunk for the status quo.

Do you mean what thread I want? Nothing that's going to be considered, so it's really not important. I would have liked a thread where any spoiler for any show and detailed discussion thereof was allowed, all whitefonted. But it's not going to happen -- I get that.

I don't get it, though. Since we have white font, what is the problem with it?

Meaning, two paragraphs on the same ballot.

That's exactly how it is.

why not have one be hardcore, for all shows, no white font, no warning, heavy spoilage?

I don't see anyone objecting to that.

Why not have the second for those posters who exert more caution in spoiling.

No reason not to. But you do see that there's still nowhere to discuss deep spoilers of a given show without reading deep spoilers of other shows, right? The definition of Lite is pretty clear (and, it seems, entrenched).

Since we have white font, what is the problem with it?

See above -- Deena and Wolfram are talking about something different.

I would have liked a thread where any spoiler for any show and detailed discussion thereof was allowed, all whitefonted.

What were the objections to this?